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Uganda's "kill the gays" bill retuns, Passage Imminent!!!!!


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Uganda's "kill the gays" bill retuns & its Passage is Imminent

Uganda's so-called "kill the gays" bill is poised for debate in parliament and LGBT rights groups in Uganda are pleading for the world to take notice and action. Christian clerics at a recent meeting in the Ugandan capital, Kampala, have asked the speaker, Rebecca Kadaga, to pass the law as "a Christmas gift." Kadaga echoed that sentiment in a conversation with Reuters.

The bill could come up as early as today:

The proposed legislation could come up for debate in the next few days after it was included as the third item on Thursday's order paper for parliamentary business, said Helen Kawesa.

Among the bill's provisions, according to an email from Sexual Minorities Uganda's Frank Mugisha:

"Any person alleged to be homosexual would be at risk of life imprisonment or in some circumstances the death penalty"

"Any parent who does not denounce their lesbian daughter or gay son to the authorities would face fines of $2,650 or three years in prison"

"Any teacher who does not report a lesbian or gay pupil to the authorities within 24 hours would face the same penalties"

"And any landlord or landlady who happens to give housing to a suspected homosexual would risk 7 years of imprisonment"

Similarly, the Bill threatens to punish or ruin the reputation of anyone who works with the gay or lesbian population, such as medical doctors working on HIV/AIDS, Civil Society leaders active in the fields of sexual and reproductive health; or even religious leaders providing guidance and counseling to people who are unsure of their sexuality or any other consultations. There are claims that the bill has been watered down, however we reiterate our position that we condemn this bill in its entirety.

The existing law has already been employed in an arbitrary way, and this Bill will just intensify that effect.
Adds Mugisha in the email: "All of the offences covered by the Bill as drafted can be applied to a Ugandan citizen who allegedly commits them - even outside the country of Uganda! At the very least, the bill violates all principle human rights and if enacted, it would contravene 8 articles of Uganda's own constitution. It not only violates the Constitution of Uganda but Uganda's international human rights obligations, and also stifles debate, undermines Civil Society and demeans the common citizenship of all Ugandans."
Full story: towleroad.com - Ugandan Passage of 'Kill the Gays' Bill Imminent, Activists Fear



My Comments:

1) This bill is a homophobic disgrace!!

2) We (& every other civilized country) should immediately cut off all political ties and financial aid to this country if it passes this inhuman bill

3) Gay Ugandans fleeing their country should be given refuge as sending them back would be a death sentence!!

4) If this passes when innocent Ugandans are hurt by it the Ugandan goverment officials (and the American anti gay groups who helped pass this) should face crimes against humanity trials in an international court


& Before anybody come here and berates me for not minding my own business, look at the details of the bill and see the inhumanity in it
 
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& Before anybody come here and berates me for not minding my own business, look at the details of the bill and see the inhumanity in it
 

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Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From 5 to 8 March 2009, a workshop took place in Kampala, the capital of Uganda, that featured three American evangelical Christians: Scott Lively, an author who has written several books opposing homosexuality; Caleb Lee Brundidge, a self-professed former gay man who conducts sessions to heal homosexuality; and Don Schmierer, a board member of Exodus International, an organisation devoted to promoting "freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ"
The theme of the conference, according to The New York Times, was the "gay agenda": "how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how 'the gay movement is an evil institution' whose goal is 'to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity' ".[12] An Anglican priest from Zambia named Kapya Kaoma was in attendance, and reported on the conference. Ugandan Stephen Langa organised it, and was supported by Lively, who asserted in his workshops that homosexuality was akin to child molestation and bestiality, and causes higher rates of divorce and HIV transmission. Lively's emphasis was on the cohesion of the African family, that he said was being threatened by "homosexuals looking to recruit youth into their ranks"
Somehow I don't think Jesus Christ would approve.

Nutjobs.
 

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I'm not comfortable with the idea of using aid as a weapon. With that said, by failing to respect the fundamental rights of all its citizens in such an extreme and systematic way, Uganda may be liable to be regarded as a failed state and treated accordingly.
 

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I'm not comfortable with the idea of using aid as a weapon. With that said, by failing to respect the fundamental rights of all its citizens in such an extreme and systematic way, Uganda may be liable to be regarded as a failed state and treated accordingly.
Why not, they behave in a way that is acceptable internationally otherwise we refuse to fund their despotic regime, anyway after the 4m disappearance we are removing our aid and were not the only country!!!
 

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The only way to civilise them would be to invade. I wholeheartedly would support such and believe it is our moral duty to rescue Ugandans from their failed state
 

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The only way to civilise them would be to invade. I wholeheartedly would support such and believe it is our moral duty to rescue Ugandans from their failed state
And the nutjob American loo lahs that are exploiting the situation.
 

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Why not, they behave in a way that is acceptable internationally otherwise we refuse to fund their despotic regime, anyway after the 4m disappearance we are removing our aid and were not the only country!!!
We can find ways to use aid effectively which bypasses the Ugandan government.

The government are the ones responsible for the law, but they will not be the ones to suffer if aid is withdrawn.
 

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Isn't the Ugandan government the one who managed to 'lose' E4000,000 provided by the Irish government.

Since the Ugandans need aid it might be possible for international nudging and winking to include a heavy nudge in the direction of what aid is for, who qualifies for it - and how quickly it can stop.

Its not a question of debate it won't work. Its about whoever has the heaviest wallet has the most clout.
 

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We can find ways to use aid effectively which bypasses the Ugandan government.
Im sure we could and that would be a much better way!!!


The government are the ones responsible for the law, but they will not be the ones to suffer if aid is withdrawn.
The money seems to go into the governments pockets rather than to aid to the people anyway!!!!
 
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Warrants for the arrest of the people in these Christian groups should be issued for hate crimes!

Will our state do it? unlikely but lets hope one of the Nordic countries or the "crazy" Swiss take a stand against this!
 

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Full story: towleroad.com - Ugandan Passage of 'Kill the Gays' Bill Imminent, Activists Fear



My Comments:

1) This bill is a homophobic disgrace!!

2) We (& every other civilized country) should immediately cut off all political ties and financial aid to this country if it passes this inhuman bill

3) Gay Ugandans fleeing their country should be given refuse as sending them back would be a death sentence!!

4) If this passes when innocent Ugandans are hurt by it the Ugandan goverment officials (and the American anti gay groups who helped pass this) should face crimes against humanity trials in an international court


& Before anybody come here and berates me for not minding my own business, look at the details of the bill and see the inhumanity in it
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but there a veritable horde of other nation-states with more "draconian" legislation already on the books. If you well and truly wish to maintain your moral principles, then you will need to disassociate yourself from oil, so no using any mode of transport powered by oil, and no plastic bags either, as oil is used in their manufacture. By the way, here is one such place:

Saudi Arabia arrests five gays in health club scandal | Gay Star News
 

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The only way to civilise them would be to invade. I wholeheartedly would support such and believe it is our moral duty to rescue Ugandans from their failed state
Oh, you have you tin hat and gun ready, hero?
 

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Shocking another reason to withold aid.
If the hapless foreign minister Gimmeemore wanted to undertake gesture politics that meant something. Here's his chance.
 
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its ok they can go to the Cameroon...oops! on the flipside being gay was only decriminalised in Ireland in 1993. I reckon Africa should sue all the main Christian churches for introducing their virus and wrecking their heads

Published September 27, 2012: Francky and Jonas were sentenced to 5 years in jail after a judge thought they were 'too gay' because of how they dressed and because they like the liqueur Baileys.

After thousands of All Out members spoke out against Cameroon's anti-gay laws last week, an amazing thing happened: the British High Commissioner to Cameroon showed up at Francky's and Jonas' hearing himself. The UK has put Cameroon on notice that they can't get away with these anti-gay arrests any longer – and we need to increase the pressure.
 

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It is a disgrace that we are providing aid to this country for a number of reasons:

1) It is giving tacit support to this homophobic bill and the government that is introducing it.
2) We are in essence helping Uganda to purchase Sukhoi Su-30MK2 anti shipping fighters - which should go against our stance of neutrality.
3) We are having to borrow money at horrendous rates of interest in order to provide them with this aid.
4) If they have admitted to siphoning off €4,000,000 how much has really gone "missing"?

Kevin Myers: Why should we burden our unborn generations with debt to finance fighter jets in Uganda? - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie
 

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The only way to civilise them would be to invade. I wholeheartedly would support such and believe it is our moral duty to rescue Ugandans from their failed state
i presume you will not be in the front line
 

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Point number three of the OP is a bit harsh in my opinion. Fleeing Ugandans should be given all the help they need. To give them refuse seems a bit insulting. I mean how would the OP like it if he was handed a bag of rubbish upon landing in a new country.
Not very much I'd wager.
 

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Point number three of the OP is a bit harsh in my opinion. Fleeing Ugandans should be given all the help they need. To give them refuse seems a bit insulting. I mean how would the OP like it if he was handed a bag of rubbish upon landing in a new country.
Not very much I'd wager.
Woops, i did meant refuge (Op changed), my point in the OP was that they would be killed if they go back so they should not be forced back!!!
 
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