UK Parliament to impose same sex marriage on Northern Ireland?

Wascurito

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They say that it's an ill wind that blows no-one good and while this story does not mean that the power vacuum up north is not an ill wind, the maxim remains unrefuted.

We all know that the Democratic Unionist Party (despite trumpeting its "Britishness") is probably the political party most divorced from actual British values this side of Islamic State - something that sets them apart from more progressive unionist voices such as those of the UUP. It goes far beyond the same sex marriage issue even if equal recognition for gay couples is the one that most highlights the bizarre dichotomy.

And it's for this reason that the DUPers are probably secretly relieved that this chalice is being taken from them (note my suitably biblical and seasonal metaphor). London imposes a solution, yon Unspeakables will get their wish and by the time Stormont is reconvened (c. 2020), it'll be done and dusted as an issue and the DUPers will claim that they can't go against Her Majesty's Parliament. What's not to like?

The Journal: Northern Ireland same-sex marriage bill passes first stage in House of Lords
 


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They say that it's an ill wind that blows no-one good and while this story does not mean that the power vacuum up north is not an ill wind, the maxim remains unrefuted.

We all know that the Democratic Unionist Party (despite trumpeting its "Britishness") is probably the political party most divorced from actual British values this side of Islamic State - something that sets them apart from more progressive unionist voices such as those of the UUP. It goes far beyond the same sex marriage issue even if equal recognition for gay couples is the one that most highlights the bizarre dichotomy.

And it's for this reason that the DUPers are probably secretly relieved that this chalice is being taken from them (note my suitably biblical and seasonal metaphor). London imposes a solution, yon Unspeakables will get their wish and by the time Stormont is reconvened (c. 2020), it'll be done and dusted as an issue and the DUPers will claim that they can't go against Her Majesty's Parliament. What's not to like?

The Journal: Northern Ireland same-sex marriage bill passes first stage in House of Lords
Yes, direct rule has its advantages, and let there be no doubt, that's what's in place now. With the concurrence of both SF and the DUP, it appears.
 

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I believe that change needs to happen........but organically. Give Norn Iron a little bit longer and the assembly will vote it through. Imposing it via Westminster will only leave a sour aftertaste.
 

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I believe that change needs to happen........but organically. Give Norn Iron a little bit longer and the assembly will vote it through. Imposing it via Westminster will only leave a sour aftertaste.
Where is Bloke's Bloke when you need him?
 

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They say that it's an ill wind that blows no-one good and while this story does not mean that the power vacuum up north is not an ill wind, the maxim remains unrefuted.

We all know that the Democratic Unionist Party (despite trumpeting its "Britishness") is probably the political party most divorced from actual British values this side of Islamic State - something that sets them apart from more progressive unionist voices such as those of the UUP. It goes far beyond the same sex marriage issue even if equal recognition for gay couples is the one that most highlights the bizarre dichotomy.

And it's for this reason that the DUPers are probably secretly relieved that this chalice is being taken from them (note my suitably biblical and seasonal metaphor). London imposes a solution, yon Unspeakables will get their wish and by the time Stormont is reconvened (c. 2020), it'll be done and dusted as an issue and the DUPers will claim that they can't go against Her Majesty's Parliament. What's not to like?

The Journal: Northern Ireland same-sex marriage bill passes first stage in House of Lords
As far as I recall (and I could be wrong), a majority in the Assembly were in favor of it, but there was some issue in that it required a super majority or that the DUP used some blocking mechanism to stop it
 

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They say that it's an ill wind that blows no-one good and while this story does not mean that the power vacuum up north is not an ill wind, the maxim remains unrefuted.

We all know that the Democratic Unionist Party
(despite trumpeting
its "Britishness") is probably the political party most divorced from actual British values this side of Islamic State - something that sets them apart from more progressive unionist voices such as those of the UUP. It goes far beyond the same sex marriage issue even if equal recognition for gay couples is the one that most highlights the bizarre dichotomy.

And it's for this reason that the DUPers are probably secretly relieved that this chalice is being taken from them (note my suitably biblical and seasonal metaphor). London imposes a solution, yon Unspeakables will get their wish and by the time Stormont is reconvened (c. 2020), it'll be done and dusted as an issue and the DUPers will claim that they can't go against Her Majesty's Parliament. What's not to like?

The Journal: Northern Ireland same-sex marriage bill passes first stage in House of Lords
It's an ill woodwind that nobody blows good.
 

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So Arlene will be on the market for men and women ? Either can justifiably chase after her ?
 

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As far as I recall (and I could be wrong), a majority in the Assembly were in favor of it, but there was some issue in that it required a super majority or that the DUP used some blocking mechanism to stop it
The DUP used one aspect of the Good Friday Agreement (GFA) known as Petition of Concern to block marriage equality. Petitions of Concern became part of the GFA to prevent one community riding roughshod over the other on contentious issues that require cross-community support because they affect one side much more than the other.

The DUP's use of it was completely inappropriate since marriage equality is something that would affect the PUL community as much as the CNR folks. Their absuse of it has called the whole Petition of Concern concept into question.
 

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The DUP used one aspect of the Good Friday Agreement (GFA) known as Petition of Concern to block marriage equality. Petitions of Concern became part of the GFA to prevent one community riding roughshod over the other on contentious issues that require cross-community support because they affect one side much more than the other.

The DUP's use of it was completely inappropriate since marriage equality is something that would affect the PUL community as much as the CNR folks. Their absuse of it has called the whole Petition of Concern concept into question.
Ironic though. They stopped gay marriage via the back door.
 

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I believe that change needs to happen........but organically. Give Norn Iron a little bit longer and the assembly will vote it through. Imposing it via Westminster will only leave a sour aftertaste.

Why wait, they can't decide on anything without it being a big battle so this neatly solves this issue. The DUP can just shrug their sholders and say it was Westminister wot done it and issue closed. Hopefully this moves along now pretty quickly. Why should gay people have to wait. They won't have a sour aftertaste and once there's a few marriages in the NI papers the whole place can celebrate like Dublin did. It would be nice to see something similar in Belfast.

Who in Westminister will vote against it is a more important debate.
 

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Let's put gay 'marriage' up to the vote in the North and let's see it defeated properly.
 

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Let's put gay 'marriage' up to the vote in the North and let's see it defeated properly.
It's highly unlikely to be defeated, not after how successfully it passed in Australia and the Rep of Ireland. And there's no need for a vote. It just needs Westminister, which is how most other countries allowed for equality.
 

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The GFA is not static unlike what some believe. It has clauses allowing for a "review" and indeed there have been reviews that resulted in changes to the institutions, including the St Andrews agreement.

It makes sense for Westminister to deal with this. After all Joffrey and co. wanted direct rule so let them have it.
 

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It's highly unlikely to be defeated, not after how successfully it passed in Australia and the Rep of Ireland. And there's no need for a vote. It just needs Westminister, which is how most other countries allowed for equality.
I would not be so certain of its passing in NI . Many up there are a good 200 years behind civilised countries.
 


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