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The British General Election is over, and a new Government has begun work. As a result the British General Election 2010 Forum has now been closed for new posts, and will soon be archived.

We've opened a new forum for UK Politics here, which for now will fall under the "Foreign Affairs" grouping.
 


Congalltee

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Is it it not more of a "Great Britain" forum rather than United Kingdom, given that Northern Ireland/6 County failed entity/Occupied Territory has its own forum?
 

Garza

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Yeah I think the Northern Ireland sub forum should be in here if its a UK forum and all.
 

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It seems perverse to include the United Kingdom in the "Foreign Affairs" section when the United Kingdom includes part of the island of Ireland - or is this all about some kind of "cheap point" scoring?
 

kerdasi amaq

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The United Kingdom does not include part of Ireland. It has de facto authority there but not de jure authority.

Anyone who thinks otherwise; is not Irish.
 

Garza

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The United Kingdom does not include part of Ireland. It has de facto authority there but not de jure authority.

Anyone who thinks otherwise; is not Irish.
The UK consists of Northern Ireland and that has cemented and ratified by international law.
 

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Can we assume that the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland is not regarded as part of Europe, as it has been placed in the "Foreign Affairs" section instead of among the "Europe" threads.
 

Lord Muck Savage

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Let's just have a UK Politics Forum that includes NI, it's plain silly having a UK and a NI forum.
 
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Politics.ie doesn't like to be seen to have opinions... the placing of the fora is an administrative matter, and shouldn't be seen as reflecting opinion

Almost amny position of the UK or NI forums will result in screeches & howls, though I guess Dave will take the comments on board and see if there's another home for this

In the meantime... I suggest people debate... instead about debating about where their debate is ...
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kerdasi amaq

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Let's just have a UK Politics Forum that included NI, it's plain silly having a UK and a NI forum.
No, it's not. These sections should remain separate. Cluttering up the UK politics forum with threads to do solely with Northern Ireland is not a good idea.
 

SilverLining

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No, it's not. These sections should remain separate. Cluttering up the UK politics forum with threads to do solely with Northern Ireland is not a good idea.
+1

If NI is included the UK forum will get totally clogged up with NI threads swamping any UK stories. This forum is an excellent idea in all. Very welcome no matter what it is called. The pedants and trolls, of course, have other ideas.
 

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The new labour leader in the UK will be announced tomorrow 4.40 pm (sat 25th sept)

Anyone got any thoughts on this? I think its a big story as this man may well lead the UK one day
 

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The new labour leader in the UK will be announced tomorrow 4.40 pm (sat 25th sept)

Anyone got any thoughts on this? I think its a big story as this man may well lead the UK one day
It will be one of the Miliband brothers. I think now Labour are out of power they will move to the left so probably Ed but not on the first count. It will be close.

Being the younger brother will be an advantage as he will have a very long wait indeed before Labour get re-elected.
 

Máistir na Cruinne

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The United Kingdom does not include part of Ireland. It has de facto authority there but not de jure authority.

Anyone who thinks otherwise; is not Irish.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is not Irish! Really! How strange! Your views on a particular issue define your nationality? I don't think so.
 

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:lol:

PS Love the avatar.
 

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Keep your eyes open for this tommorow,

If anything else the guy does seem to know UK law fairly well!

On 20th April 2012 George Osborne announced he has committed a further £10 billion of contingent loans to the IMF, the organisation representing the interests of commercial banks and privately-owned central banks worldwide. It is believed that the loans will be used in support of the Euro currency.

Mr. Osborne's claim that this sum "does not add to our deficit or national debt" is disingenuous. As with every bank bailout the collateral is the British people themselves, and unlike the banks, we the people do not at the moment have control of the money supply, i.e. the ability to create money at will.

This means that it will have to come from taxes, services cuts and public assets - once again negatively affecting the quality of our daily lives.

In an actual sense, Mr. Osborne has agreed to the transfer of assets from the British people to the commercial banks and privately-owned central banks.

Under UK law, this constitutes theft:

http://​www.legislation.gov.uk/​ukpga/1968/60/section/1 [Theft Act 1968, Section 1]

Furthermore, the statement that it does not add to our debt, coupled with Mr. Osborne's previous statement to Parliament on 27th October 2011 that "Britain will not be putting money into the bailout fund either directly or through the IMF", mean that it is also fraud:

http://​www.legislation.gov.uk/​ukpga/2006/35/section/2 [Fraud Act 2006, Section 2]

We, the people of this country, now face a straightforward, threefold choice:

1. Allow the continued flouting of our laws by the same men and women that were elected to represent us.

2. Petition the police service and courts to address the flouting of these laws as effectively as they can.

3. Take peaceful and lawful action to arrest George Osborne ourselves, according to the duties and guidance of the law (http://​www.legislation.gov.uk/​ukpga/1984/60/section/24A [Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, Section 24A]) and the principles and example of the British Constitution.

I am hereby calling for us to choose the third option. Join me at 10.00am on 30th April 2012 outside Downing Street. Over the coming days I will be speaking to the Metropolitan Police to explain that the arrest will be lawful and peaceful, and to co-ordinate with them in order to ensure that the action proceeds in a proper and legitimate manner.

Please do not join the arrest unless you are mentally and physically prepared to conduct yourself in a presentable, calm, peaceful and lawful manner throughout the entire duration of the event otherwise there is a risk that it will be unsuccessful.

We will participate equally in this arrest, standing together as sovereign British citizens, and I believe that the more of us taking part, the more likely we are to succeed.

David Searle
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UPDATE 24/04/2012: On St. George's Day yesterday evening I walked into Charing Cross police station (the nearest police station to 11 Downing Street) and outlined the allegations against George Osborne. The PC on duty logged it as a fraud case and gave me a crime reference number. He also took a copy of the following document which will be added to the crime file:

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/​osborne-police-scan

I pointed out the schedule mentioned in the end paragraphs. The authorities now have five days (i.e. until the end of Saturday 28th April) to contact me. In my statement it is explained that were I not to hear from them: "I will take this as reasonable grounds for assuming that for whatever reason [they are unable] - either by arresting Mr. Osborne or by any other method - to proceed with the investigation at the present time."

Legally this should overcome the obstacle of Article (3), Section 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, which declares: "the power of summary arrest conferred by subsection (1) or (2) is exercisable only if— … (b) it appears to the person [or in our case people] making the arrest that it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make it instead", and a citizens' arrest would then be rendered legitimate. I would welcome further advice from legal experts, however. Thanks to Gary G-star Crowley for drawing attention to this issue.

Next step: liaising with Downing Street police to ensure that the event can go ahead peacefully and without disturbance.
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UPDATE 26/04/2012: Form 3175A was handed in to Charing Cross Police Station yesterday 25/04/2012 with the following "Reason for event" statement attached - everyone attending on 30th April should give it a read:

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/​form-3175a-reason-for-event​-scan

After leaving the station I emailed George Osborne inviting him either to turn himself in to the authorities over the next few days or voluntarily meet us at 10:00 a.m. on 30/04/2012 outside Downing Street. The text of this email is here:

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/​osborne-email-25-04-2012

I am currently preparing the arrest warrant to be delivered to 11 Downing Street should Mr. Osborne choose neither to turn himself in nor meet us at the arranged time and place. Please feel free to message me with technical suggestions or contributions, particularly if you are a constitutional or legal specialist.
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UPDATE 29/04/2012: As of 3:14 p.m. today 29/04/2012, no response has been received either from the Metropolitan Police or from George Osborne. Should he make himself unavailable for peaceful and lawful citizen's arrest tomorrow morning, those attending outside Downing Street will ask a member of the police or a security-cleared person to deliver to his official residence a 'Notice confirming legal grounds applicable henceforth, for the peaceful citizen's arrest of the Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne' (linked below). The document has the will of the British people behind it, the protection of the natural law of God over it, and carries the instruments of truth within it as a vessel serving the good of the sovereign nation of Great Britain. A Common Court verdict and resulting Warrant valid in the Common Law will also be sought in the proceeding weeks.

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/​osborne-notice-30-04-2012

The possibilities for Mr. Osborne are as follows: to give himself up tomorrow to be arrested and conducted to the police station by concerned citizens who are entirely peaceful and lawful in their intention; or to let the matter continue indefinitely, rendering himself liable to peaceful and lawful citizen's arrest at any available opportunity (in addition to an open Metropolitan Police inquiry and the likelihood of a Common Law Warrant). Mr. Osborne is urged by the aforementioned concerned citizens to make the choice that is most expedient both to himself and to the country by allowing himself to be arrested at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow.
PEACEFUL & LAWFUL CITIZENS' ARREST OF GEORGE OSBORNE - 30TH APRIL 2012 | Facebook


If only we had the courage to do this in Ireland!
 

Old Mr Grouser

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The British General Election is over, and a new Government has begun work. As a result the British General Election 2010 Forum has now been closed for new posts, and will soon be archived.

We've opened a new forum for UK Politics here, which for now will fall under the "Foreign Affairs" grouping.
It's time we had another new forum, for 'Cross-Border & Cross-Channel Issues'.

With BREXIT there'll be all sorts of things coming up and Re-Unification is becoming a real possibility.
 

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What does Trump's support of Scottish nationalists portend for the EU?

By the end of 2018, Britain should take a definitive position on conditions of its withdrawal from the European Union, which is scheduled for 29 March, 2019. Results of the second stage of London-Brussels negotiations on the operation of a two-year transition period after the UK's withdrawal from the EU will prejudge the UK's future relationship with continental European countries. And it will have a direct impact on the region's economic prospects in the next few years. Meanwhile, conditions for Brexit realization seriously affect interests of Scotland, 62% of whose population, in 2016, voted to remain in the EU. The current First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon announced the holding of an additional referendum on the region's independence, after the British government would come up with its plan of actions for the UK's withdrawal from the EU. If supporters of retaining British citizenship established their majority during the 2014 referendum on independence for Scotland, then after London's refusal to be in the EU, from 46% to 51% people being interviewed in the autonomy are prepared to support the Scottish independence.

Although relations between Edinburgh and London constitute an exclusively internal affair of the United Kingdom, there have been third countries involved in this conflict, too, which may take their confrontation to a whole new level, whipping up emotions in the social and political life of the entire Europe. Donald Trump decided, contrary to a long-standing tradition of the US leadership not to touch on the issue of Scotland's sovereignty, that he should support the Scottish National Party in holding a new referendum on the status of the autonomy.



Dear Mr. Minister,

I write to inform you that the allegations concerning the US intention to support the Scottish National Party (SNP) in holding an additional referendum on Scotland's independence from the United Kingdom were confirmed. Details of further cooperation among the parties will be discussed at the meeting between the SNP representatives and members of the US President's Administration during Trump's official visit to the UK, which is scheduled to take place in July.

I believe you will agree with me that this information is a cause for serious concern. There is no doubt that Scotland's secession from the UK creates a very dangerous precedent, which will have serious consequences not only for Great Britain, but for the entire Europe, including this country. The success of Scottish nationalists will lead to the rise of separatist movements in Spain, and, first of all, in Catalonia where local extremists are attempting, by any means possible, to undermine the territorial integrity of Spain.

We therefore find it necessary to contact our British colleagues in order to disseminate information further to the UK Government.

Spanish Ambassador to the UK Carlos Bastarreche Sagües communicated this information to Spanish Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation Alfonso Dastis Quecedo. Spanish politicians are concerned that the US support of Scotland's aspirations for self-determination can set off a chain reaction that will affect other European countries with similar problems. For instance, such success of Scotland will set an example for an upsurge in the activities of separatists in Catalonia whose inhabitants have already voted for their independence at the 2017 referendum. Belgian Flanders, for its part, responds violently to the wishes for self-determination of the inhabitants of Catalonia and the Basque Country. The outcome of Catalonia's referendum has been seen as a victory there. And certainly, the establishment of a precedent of Scotland's seceding from Great Britain is also expected there for increasing own demands on Belgian authorities. The solution to 'Scotland's issue' can have a negative impact on situation in South Tyrol, Corsica and Gibraltar where separatist ambitions have become relevant again because of the debt crisis in the Eurozone.

Meanwhile, the intention of representatives of the US President's Administration to communicate with Scottish nationalists is backed up by the report of a possible extension of Trump's visit to Great Britain for a couple of days, which has been scheduled for 13 July. A formal expression of Trump's will to play golf in South Ayrshire, Scotland, can be a starting point for giving rise to new ultimatums by Nicola Sturgeon to London and be the start of speeding up the preparatory process for the second referendum on independence for Scotland.

The intention of Spanish diplomats to inform London about forthcoming negotiations between representatives of Trump's Administration and Scottish nationalists is expected and justified. Trump's rash actions and populist tricks in Europe must be stopped before they result in severe economic and social shocks affecting the whole region. The matter is that the US support of Edinburgh's separatist ambitions is a threat not only by increasing the pressure of representatives of problem autonomies on the EU leadership. It may also lead to the derailing of the Brexit negotiations between the EU and UK, which has already become the main geopolitical challenge for the united Europe of the 21st century.
 


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