UK Times: Ireland has 'tenuous claim to nationhood'

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Britain is the authentic nation in this battle | Comment | The Times & The Sunday Times

"Northern Ireland is different again. The Unionists hate this being said but they are not British. They’re the bit that got tacked on to Great Britain to make the UK.

Does that mean Westminster should tear up the Good Friday agreement and bid farewell to Northern Ireland? No, because it has an obligation to the Unionists; and because the claim to unite Ireland is tenuous since Ireland itself has a tenuous claim to nationhood, having seceded from Britain as the Irish Free State only in 1922

Britain, by contrast, is an authentic unitary nation. It didn’t begin with the union with Scotland but as the British Isles, an island nation defending itself (or not) against invaders from across the seas. Throughout its history, it was beset by attempts at secession by tribes across Hadrian’s Wall and across the Irish Sea."

Hmmm....
 


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West Brit ************************ fest in 3,2,1
 

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"having seceded from Britain as the Irish Free State only in 1922"

erm it wasn't for the want of trying
 

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History according to Rupert Murdoch - one wonders his views of white Australia :roll:
 

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The best bit was "Ancient unity of the British Isles"

As opposed to the more recent and scant unity of Europe under the Nazi's I suppose.
 

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Britain is the authentic nation in this battle | Comment | The Times & The Sunday Times

"Northern Ireland is different again. The Unionists hate this being said but they are not British. They’re the bit that got tacked on to Great Britain to make the UK.

Does that mean Westminster should tear up the Good Friday agreement and bid farewell to Northern Ireland? No, because it has an obligation to the Unionists; and because the claim to unite Ireland is tenuous since Ireland itself has a tenuous claim to nationhood, having seceded from Britain as the Irish Free State only in 1922

Britain, by contrast, is an authentic unitary nation. It didn’t begin with the union with Scotland but as the British Isles, an island nation defending itself (or not) against invaders from across the seas. Throughout its history, it was beset by attempts at secession by tribes across Hadrian’s Wall and across the Irish Sea."

Hmmm....
The premise of the article seems a trifle bizarre (to put it mildly)

Nationalist claims of Scots and Northern Irish don’t outweigh the ancient unity of the British Isles
The woman is using an odd definition of the word "ancient."

This should be a lively thread, though.
 

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UK inflation is taking off, wages are falling and folks over there and getting hit in their pockets.

There'll be more of this backs to the wall stuff. :lol:
 

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Sunday Times gives op piece to jingoistic eejit.

I s'pose it's interesting in a way to be reminded that such eejits are still there.
You needed reminding, Toland?

Brexit's brought them out in droves!

Since last July I've sometimes got the impression that upper-lip-stiffening ops may have replaced boob jobs as the most popular form of plastic surgery in England.
 

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UK inflation is taking off, wages are falling and folks over there and getting hit in their pockets.

There'll be more of this backs to the wall stuff. :lol:
Absolutely right. The drop in the pound has postponed the problems that the UK is going experience over the next decade or so. Those of us who remember the seventies know that inflation has huge power to destroy a country's standard of living (and, incidentally, to destroy a family's savings -- it can also bias private investment towards property and away from wealth creation for a generation).

Expect more pips to squeak.
 

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History according to Rupert Murdoch - one wonders his views of white Australia :roll:
WTF?

Rupert Murdoch didn't write it. He even didn't read it. He runs a media empire that sells stuff by giving it's audience what is of interest. Your comment is like something from transition year student who had their first thoughts about the unfairness of it all last Tuesday.
 

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Britain is the authentic nation in this battle | Comment | The Times & The Sunday Times

"Northern Ireland is different again. The Unionists hate this being said but they are not British. They’re the bit that got tacked on to Great Britain to make the UK.

Does that mean Westminster should tear up the Good Friday agreement and bid farewell to Northern Ireland? No, because it has an obligation to the Unionists; and because the claim to unite Ireland is tenuous since Ireland itself has a tenuous claim to nationhood, having seceded from Britain as the Irish Free State only in 1922

Britain, by contrast, is an authentic unitary nation. It didn’t begin with the union with Scotland but as the British Isles, an island nation defending itself (or not) against invaders from across the seas. Throughout its history, it was beset by attempts at secession by tribes across Hadrian’s Wall and across the Irish Sea."
The addled ramblings of a North Roman. Next time I trust she'll be banging on about the need for North Rome to give Gibraltar back to the Spanish. Or the Moors. Or whatever.
 

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Her claims might have some logic if the present population of the UK was descended from Bodicea's Celts. But they're not.
It's simply bad history she's spouting. Britain did not construct Hadrians Wall, the Romans did. They built it to keep some Picts out. At the time Northumberland had its own Pictish tribes and the wall split them in 2 while the Romans conquered.
The Romans built it and another wall between the 2 Firths to protect their empire, not to define Britain as an independent nation state.
 
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The addled ramblings of a North Roman. Next time I trust she'll be banging on about the need for North Rome to give Gibraltar back to the Spanish. Or the Moors. Or whatever.
Thank God you said Gibraltar. I was afraid you'd go for the Malvinas.
 

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Melanie Philips is good on some topics. Not this one though. The whole article is incoherent.
 

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Can someone who is registered on that site post the full article here?
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jun/18/melanie-phillips-rightwing?CMP=share_btn_tw

"At least in liberal-left circles, the reaction to Melanie Phillips's The World Turned Upside Down has largely been a mixture of bemusement and amusement. The book is the culmination of Phillips's journey from campaigning leftist journalist on the Guardian and New Society to neoconservative Jeremiah and stalwart of the Daily Mail comment pages."
Ah Melanie Phillips.

Why didn't you say so?
 


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