Ulster flag dispute - Southern edition

Dame_Enda

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A publican has refused to take down the yellow and red Ulster Flag, which is also used by the GAA, after complaints to Dublin City Council that its "northern". Dublin city council reportedly contacted the publican about it.

Should Darragh O'Brien replace the council officials involved in this matter?

 


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A publican has refused to take down the yellow and red Ulster Flag, which is also used by the GAA, after complaints to Dublin City Council that its "northern". Dublin city council reportedly contacted the publican about it.

Should Darragh O'Brien replace the council officials involved in this matter?

I think they just do not like the people from Donegal.
 

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What sort of idiot would object to the nine county Ulster flag, which apparently dates back to the 13th century? It's a unifying force used by both the GAA and Irish rugby, and by both Catholics and Protestants, and in crest form has even used to adorn the exterior of Belfast's Ulster Hall since long before partition, I'd guess.

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Imagine the headline - Jackeens juke jock jack
 

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Looks like Leo's 'overseas' comment has bore fruit.
 

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A publican has refused to take down the yellow and red Ulster Flag, which is also used by the GAA, after complaints to Dublin City Council that its "northern". Dublin city council reportedly contacted the publican about it.

Should Darragh O'Brien replace the council officials involved in this matter?

The people who complained are either cranks or anal busybodies who have way too much time on their hands.
 

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The people who complained are either cranks or anal busybodies who have way too much time on their hands.
To be honest, this is a bit of a non story. It's no secret that Dublin has its fair share of half wits, just like everywhere else. :)
 
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To be honest, this is a bit of a non story. It's no secret that Dublin has its fair share of half wits, just like everywhere else. :)
You've half Taoisigh now as well, but I'll always say the problem in Dublin is the West Half Wits....
 

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The Red Hand is rooted in Irish culture going back to pagan times.

According to the Fenian Cycle, there was a boat race to become King of Ulster - it was agreed that whosoever's hand was the first to touch the shore of Ireland, he would be made the king.

Heremon O'Neill became the first man to touch the Irish soil by cutting off his own hand and hurling it ashore! His sacrifice made Heremon the first king of Ulster in 1015 B.C. Long before the parasite England invaded Ireland.

Idiot Unionists covet Irish symbols and stories as their own, but they are Irish, and do not belong to the foreigners.

Unionists are a bit slow as we Irish know - look at this mural idiot Unionists painted confirming my point.


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The Red Hand is rooted in Irish culture going back to pagan times.

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The ulster flag is a 1600s colonial-era mishmash throwing in the "flag of st george" (who never came to england) with the red hand of our ancient fables.

So are our other provincial flags. Clue being, we had 5 ancient provinces (cuige=fifth) and there are now 4 flags of the 4 english-rule provinces.

Take one and you may as well take the lot.
 

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The ulster flag is a 1600s colonial-era mishmash throwing in the "flag of st george" (who never came to england) with the red hand of our ancient fables.

So are our other provincial flags. Clue being, we had 5 ancient provinces (cuige=fifth) and there are now 4 flags of the 4 english-rule provinces.

Take one and you may as well take the lot.
Again you post to deceive Irish people.

England took Irish symbols and used them to denote what they considered ownership. Our Irish symbols were used in subordination to the enemy symbols.

England's Crown was always put above Ireland's symbols - a prime example of this is the Crown over Harp (the Harp being Ireland's Sovereign Seal) to denote what England considered ownership of Ireland.

The Crown over the Red Hand of Ulster is used for the same reason.

Our history has nothing to do with you foreigners squatting here. You Unionists are persona non grata everywhere - no one wants you troublemakers

We Irish never accepted England's occupation of Ireland - and we never will. That is why most of Ireland is free now of the parasite that is England - and the rest of Ireland, the occupied 6 counties, will be free from England's interference soon - very soon.

Tick-Tock.
 

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The ulster flag is a 1600s colonial-era mishmash throwing in the "flag of st george" (who never came to england) with the red hand of our ancient fables.

So are our other provincial flags. Clue being, we had 5 ancient provinces (cuige=fifth) and there are now 4 flags of the 4 english-rule provinces.

Take one and you may as well take the lot.
The red cross on a yellow background comes from the De Burgh Earldom of Ulster. My view of the red cross on the yellow background in the Unionist "Ulster Banner" is that it's the cross of St.George of England.

 

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The red cross on a yellow background comes from the De Burgh Earldom of Ulster. My view of the red cross on the yellow background in the Unionist "Ulster Banner" is that it's the cross of St.George of England.

It doesn't really matter how the enemy used our Irish symbols - the salient point is the Red Hand is inherently and historically Irish.
 

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The ulster flag is a 1600s colonial-era mishmash throwing in the "flag of st george" (who never came to england) with the red hand of our ancient fables.

So are our other provincial flags. Clue being, we had 5 ancient provinces (cuige=fifth) and there are now 4 flags of the 4 english-rule provinces.

Take one and you may as well take the lot.
According to the Wikipedia article above it was first created for Walter de Burgh in the mid 13th century and had associations with the 3rd Crusade.
That may explain the Cross of St George, which was used by crusaders. The red hand dates back to pre Norman times.
But as it has had widespread acceptance by both sides in the north before partition there is no reason to start objecting to it now.
 

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The symbols were the colonial mark of ownership, a logo flying on castle walls to remind us who to bow in front of while we were paying the bills.
 

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But as it has had widespread acceptance by both sides in the north before partition there is no reason to start objecting to it now.
The funny thing is that flying the Saint George's cross in England is considered, by some, to be a racist act.
 

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I thought I recognised the pub all right.

Peadar Brown's clientele would have strong views on the 'national question'...

But anyone who doesn't recognise the Ulster Flag (as opposed to the "Ulster Banner") is an ignoramus.
 

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Spoilers: it’ll turn out the council didn’t ask him to take it down, they’ll just have called him to tell him there are complaints.

Complaints which will be ignored by everyone.
 

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The funny thing is that flying the Saint George's cross in England is considered, by some, to be a racist act.
Horses for courses.........................
Context is everything. When it is used by England football supporters at a match that's perfectly acceptable. When it is flaunted by the racists of the EDL it is quite another matter.
It is the misappropriation of the flag that people object to not the flag itself. A lot of Irish people would understandably have a problem with the way that the Provisional IRA misappropriated the Irish flag during the troubles for the same reason. :)
 


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