Unable to count breath tests - and homicides?

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This is still just a story, so who knows; I started a thread on the miscounting of roadside breath tests.

Now some insiders employed by the gardi are saying homicides have been miscounted, but this time in the opposite direction.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-whistleblowers-allege-murders-were-not-investigated-1.3377129

...Garda headquarters has consistently said that while classification mistakes were made, all of the unlawful killings involved were investigated as they should have been.
Now, however, two civilian Garda staff have claimed in protected disclosures that some murder cases, and other homicides, were not fully investigated as such, and that they have evidence to back up their allegations. If proven, it would mean people were unlawfully killed, some deliberately and in violent circumstances, and that no criminal inquiry equal to the severity of the crimes was conducted.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/new-garda-allegations-on-homicide-data-are-staggering-1.3377141


The first indication that all was not right with the Garda’s homicide data came last April. Deputy Commissioner John Twomey said 41 cases had been reviewed, with shortcomings in the classification, or recording, of an unspecified number having been unearthed. Twomey’s remarks, at a Garda Representative Association conference, were brief.
 


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I have a life.
Asking the question on Late Debate last night, are we at all capable of making decisions on anything?
 

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Are there any stats left that we can trust?
 

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If the Policing authority doesn't assert itself here , it might as well fold its tent and disappear.
 

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I remember hearing about something similar. It seems that many deaths on the roads, which are technically homicide if it is subsequently found the driver was negligent, are classified as accidents rather than murder.
 

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Leo has full confidence in AGS.
 

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If the Policing authority doesn't assert itself here , it might as well fold its tent and disappear.
Can we trust the PA?

"No evidence" GSOC is already at junk status.
 

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I wonder what they ll report the guy who froze to death in parnell st last night as suicide ?
 

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This is still just a story, so who knows; I started a thread on the miscounting of roadside breath tests.

Now some insiders employed by the gardi are saying homicides have been miscounted, but this time in the opposite direction.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-whistleblowers-allege-murders-were-not-investigated-1.3377129

...Garda headquarters has consistently said that while classification mistakes were made, all of the unlawful killings involved were investigated as they should have been.
Now, however, two civilian Garda staff have claimed in protected disclosures that some murder cases, and other homicides, were not fully investigated as such, and that they have evidence to back up their allegations. If proven, it would mean people were unlawfully killed, some deliberately and in violent circumstances, and that no criminal inquiry equal to the severity of the crimes was conducted.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/new-garda-allegations-on-homicide-data-are-staggering-1.3377141


The first indication that all was not right with the Garda’s homicide data came last April. Deputy Commissioner John Twomey said 41 cases had been reviewed, with shortcomings in the classification, or recording, of an unspecified number having been unearthed. Twomey’s remarks, at a Garda Representative Association conference, were brief.
It is shocking stuff....Wonder will it take out Charlie Flanagan? The ongoing AGS scandals have claimed the scalps of commisioner Noirin O’Sullivan , ex-Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald , not very civil non -servants, Secretary Generals Noel Waters, and Brian Purcell, of the Department of Injustice. AGS better come with excuses and figures fast or Flanagan will be culled.
 

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The Garda need a serious, root and branch, over haul. If we can't even trust them to investigate a murder,what can we trust them to do?
The "nothing to see here" mantra, seems to be something they are taking way to much to heart..
 

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It is shocking stuff....Wonder will it take out Charlie Flanagan?

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AGS better come with excuses and figures fast or Flanagan will be culled.

It's clearly a bad and old management culture. So often in the public service you have people in a job for life and they slot in with what went before. Little kingdoms are set up. Ranks close against the rest of us (who are paying the salaries!!!).

It's not just the gardi, it's seen in many areas of public service - many of which are modern and good as well.

If you're looking for origins, you can look over the shoulders of Michael Collins on his first day in Dublin Castle in January 1922. He let 2 gents go. The rest stayed on, because the "Irish republic" didn't have enough of its own civil servants (maybe 20 or 30?) to run the country. Nobody else could do the jobs, and the jobs were for life, and have been ever since.

After 1922 you often find jobs going to families as rewards for votes. Or "on the roads", mending potholes in a half-useless way, as the guys didn't drive cars. Their kids kinda expected more of the same. The army was self-populating.

Maybe a century on we can draw a line and say 5 years on decent pay, with reviews at the end to allow for promotion / pay rises / firings. None of this former-empire crack about jobs for life with too-slow pay rises. Pay the full whack but make sure it's earned.
 


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