Union leaders behaving immorally, irresponsibly and unashamedly

sport02

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At a time when we have Brexit on one side and Donald Trump on the other side (threatening to slash corporation tax)
Union leaders like Jack O'Connor are acting irresponsibly with threaten like behaviour. They are also acting immorally trying to take all the pie, something I believe Leo Varadkar recently addressed.

And of course we have Michael Martin ready to pull down this government when it suits.
This is the last thing the country needs. We need to be more cautious.

SIPTU threatens major industrial unrest in New Year - Independent.ie
Major industrial unrest is on the cards in the New Year after SIPTU today announced plans to ballot for strike action.
The country's largest trade union said it will ballot 60,000 public sector workers for potential industrial action unless the Government opens talks in the New Year on a new pay deal.
 
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Unions have always behaved this way, there entire purpose is to represent their members, gettjng as much as they can for their members irrespective of logic or impact to others.

Pretty much the same behaviour that we see in most organisations, including ibec, bankers etc they are one and the same.

So once we accept that and move on from it, the entite question is, how do we fight this aggressive parasitic behaviour, and how do we defend the real front line workers (private sector paye workers) from unions who abuse their power in this way.

How do we defend and protect the real front line workers from the abusive and dominant power of public sector unions and party first politicians.
 

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Absolutely the last thing this country needs at this time, I heard this on radio today whilst working and I am still angry about it. :mad:

Also the government giving themselves a rise at this time is really lousy leadership....it is not leadership at all...!
 

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I heard Jack O'Connor being interviewed by Sarah McInerney earlier on NewsTalk. What an ignorant spoofer. McInerney handled him quite well, not allowing him to walk all over her with his aggressive barstool bluster. Good on her. I'd like to see the likes of O'Connor, Doran and most of all ASTI challenged much more aggressively by our media, including by the overly PS-friendly RTE.

The PS had better recognise that we're facing into potential economic headwinds, and job losses could be the order of the day in the private sector. In that light, PS cosseting won't go down well with the taxpayer.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Eight years after the crash, following pay cuts, etc., workers are getting restless.

The unions should be congratulated for bending over on behalf of government, for so long.

Strong unions are good for society, even if you right wing headcases aren't clever enough to realise that.
 

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[video=youtube;Zx1_6F-nCaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx1_6F-nCaw[/video]
 

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At a time when we have Brexit on one side and Donald Trump on the other side (threatening to slash corporation tax)
Union leaders like Jack O'Connor are acting irresponsibly with threaten like behaviour. They are also acting immorally trying to take all the pie, something I believe Leo Varadkar recently addressed.
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They have to negotiate on behalf of their members. They get paid well - much more per member than the leaders of unions in the UK.

The Unite boss (UK) is paid about £140k pa in 2014 - Len McCluskey strikes gold with £140,000 pay deal - Telegraph

Unite has about 1.4m members

In contrast, ours do better so they have to push "the bosses" (that's us) harder - So the IBOA (bank staff) boss got €198k in pay and benefits in 2012 to head up 21,000 members.

Big salaries and pensions of union bosses uncovered - Independent.ie

Governments should stop feeling guilty about the members, and tell them what the budget is going to be next year, and that's it. Squabble over the split, but that's your lot for 2017.

Part of the problem is our job-for-life culture. Make it a job for 5 years, renewable, with full benefits after 6 months. Apply anti-monopolies laws maybe. It's nothing to do with social justice any more.

In the meantime they are doing a job of work and the members are happy to pay their salaries.
 

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Michael Noonan suggests less 'fiscal space' in next Budget, after Trump election
https://t.co/N2Sd2vFUEm
We could be facing into a real-world contraction, whatever our deceptive GDP figures say. Any job losses will of course be very tangible. We lost a real opportunity to bring competitiveness into our economy. Instead we have ludicrous insurance, overpaid professionals and a new property bubble. And to top it all, Simon Coveney's idiotic pro-cyclical first time buyers' builders subsidy. We'll never learn. Mediocrity abu.
 

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Point has been made before but worth re-iterating. The cost of housing, renting both domestic and commercial, plus insurance have been sky rocketing. Sort these out, get costs down and everyone has more money in their pocket. This plus rejigged so called Croke Park hours will take the heat out of the situation. If their is money to spare, newer entrants only should receive extra monies.
 

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Eight years after the crash, following pay cuts, etc., workers are getting restless.

The unions should be congratulated for bending over on behalf of government, for so long.

Strong unions are good for society, even if you right wing headcases aren't clever enough to realise that.
Strong public sector unions aren't. This isn't an employer hell bent on delivering profits at the expense of workers. You are in complete denial about the situation if you think that there is an equivalence between unions in the public sector and private sector.

As for being congratulated for bending over backwards, you do realise that we slashed expenditure on non-payroll services at twice the rate of payroll expenditure when stabilising the public finances, and borrowed more than we did to bailout all the banks? And twice as much of this money went into payroll as into services? And most damning of all, the whole reason for this was the scumbaggery greed of Benchmarking and Bertinomics which drove public sector wages to unsustainable levels and broke the country along with the banks.
 

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The State has continued to add to our debt pile, in part, to keep PS workers in their jobs. We still haven't balanced our budget yet. But our money tree socialists want us to keep the spending going, regardless of the risks of a slowdown, or outright downturn. 'Irresponsible' indeed.
 

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At a time when we have Brexit on one side and Donald Trump on the other side (threatening to slash corporation tax)
Union leaders like Jack O'Connor are acting irresponsibly with threaten like behaviour. They are also acting immorally trying to take all the pie, something I believe Leo Varadkar recently addressed.

And of course we have Michael Martin ready to pull down this government when it suits.
This is the last thing the country needs. We need to be more cautious.

SIPTU threatens major industrial unrest in New Year - Independent.ie
So much for social justice.......................................................

If the job of 'The Unions' is to maximise their members income then they are no longer Unions and should lose
all 'Union' special protections and their exclusive or any use of the 'Labour Court'.

WRC.................................... no comment (too bad)
 

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Strong public sector unions aren't. This isn't an employer hell bent on delivering profits at the expense of workers. You are in complete denial about the situation if you think that there is an equivalence between unions in the public sector and private sector.

As for being congratulated for bending over backwards, you do realise that we slashed expenditure on non-payroll services at twice the rate of payroll expenditure when stabilising the public finances, and borrowed more than we did to bailout all the banks? And twice as much of this money went into payroll as into services? And most damning of all, the whole reason for this was the scumbaggery greed of Benchmarking and Bertinomics which drove public sector wages to unsustainable levels and broke the country along with the banks.

I love the way the right wing nuts always try to detach public sector wages from public services, as though quality services should be delivered on the backs of the labour of the workers.

Long live unions!
 

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Eight years after the crash, following pay cuts, etc., workers are getting restless.

The unions should be congratulated for bending over on behalf of government, for so long.

Strong unions are good for society, even if you right wing headcases aren't clever enough to realise that.
Pity the Unions dont step out of their public service comfort zone, and try to help and recruit the real low paid exploited workers in the Private sector.
 

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I would question these figures. Union membership has consistently been decreasing and I wonder what time period these figures come from. When was the last time anyone heard of unions organising / recruiting low paid workers in Ireland??


Unions also advocate for workers' rights, which then also apply to non-unionised workers
 

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Eight years after the crash, following pay cuts, etc., workers are getting restless.

The unions should be congratulated for bending over on behalf of government, for so long.

Strong unions are good for society, even if you right wing headcases aren't clever enough to realise that.
I'd be happy if they got around to answering the questions about the slush fund from the Bertie years and all the trips that seemed to coincide with St Patricks weekends to the states before making threats that will put the finances of the state under more pressure........

Dáil watchdog shocked at SIPTU

Thread here


http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-social-affairs/131568-hse-siptu-missing-2-3-million.html
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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I'd be happy if they got around to answering the questions about the slush fund from the Bertie years and all the trips that seemed to coincide with St Patricks weekends to the states before making threats that will put the finances of the state under more pressure........

Dáil watchdog shocked at SIPTU

Thread here


http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-social-affairs/131568-hse-siptu-missing-2-3-million.html

Good question, but workers should not be held accountable for that
 


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