Unionists object to planned NIE takeover

Fraxinus_

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Siege! Siege! Siege! Those fenian bastids are going supplying us with electricity we already got from them! This papish conspiracy must be stopped before electrical takeover leads to Dublin takeover. This organisation also sponsors the terrorist GAA/IRA minor football tournament and must be opposed by all loyal Ulstermen. Siege!
 


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Come on now half your lot were working for MI5/MI6 and the branch, people in glass houses and all...
The Provos were founded by those who accepted Free State bribes to split the National Liberation movement by the most short sighted elements within it...But for all their many faults and failings that kept it up the struggle 25 or so years...

Credit where credit is due.
 

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The Provos were founded by those who accepted Free State bribes to split the National Liberation movement by the most short sighted elements within it...But for all their many faults and failings that kept it up the struggle 25 or so years...

Credit where credit is due.
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I heard they spread Papism through the plugs.
 

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The Provos were founded by those who accepted Free State bribes to split the National Liberation movement by the most short sighted elements within it...But for all their many faults and failings that kept it up the struggle 25 or so years...

Credit where credit is due.
Credit for 25-30 years of utterly pointless murder and slaughter that brought nothing but misery to the whole society, I don't think so.

The only credit that is due is for finally seeing the error of their ways and calling it a day.
 

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Credit for 25-30 years of utterly pointless murder and slaughter that brought nothing but misery to the whole society, I don't think so.

The only credit that is due is for finally seeing the error of their ways and calling it a day.
Contarary to your beliefs Im not exactly the greatest fan of the Provisional movement...However the sacrafice of so many brave Volunteers continues to this day to be inspiration to people across the world and if you really dont believe that the "Troubles" shook British Imperialism and discredited it far and wide you are living in a provinical glass house...

Something of that significance doesnt just arise out of a few psychopaths...It was a product of the real material social realities of the occupied six counties...You should do yourself a favour and start asking seriously why the "Troubles" happened and why they went on for so long...
 

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Is it just me or have other threads otherwise dormant in the NI forum suddenly come to life. It's as if they don't want to highlight the negativity inherent in Unionism as eagerly they do the negatives of nationalists
 

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Come on now half your lot were working for MI5/MI6 and the branch, people in glass houses and all...
Half! Come now, according to you and other unionist posters here on P.ie it's more like 80-90% of 'my lot' were working for MI5/MI6.

Sure, I'm sitting here waiting for my next cheque from MI5!

This is just sectarian waffle about the ESB. The reality of it is that the ESB will more than likely be sold off when FG get into power and some other business interest from another country will buy it. Would you have a problem then with the sale?
 

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Contarary to your beliefs Im not exactly the greatest fan of the Provisional movement...However the sacrafice of so many brave Volunteers continues to this day to be inspiration to people across the world and if you really dont believe that the "Troubles" shook British Imperialism and discredited it far and wide you are living in a provinical glass house...

Something of that significance doesnt just arise out of a few psychopaths...It was a product of the real material social realities of the occupied six counties...You should do yourself a favour and start asking seriously why the "Troubles" happened and why they went on for so long...
They were sacrificed all right, but it was entirely pointless I am afraid however you want to romantice it. I'm pretty sure they weren't fighting 'to give inspiration to people across the world', just as they weren't for a few government offices at Stormont and pushing the SDLP into second place for Catholic votes.
 

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Half! Come now, according to you and other unionist posters here on P.ie it's more like 80-90% of 'my lot' were working for MI5/MI6.

Sure, I'm sitting here waiting for my next cheque from MI5!

This is just sectarian waffle about the ESB. The reality of it is that the ESB will more than likely be sold off when FG get into power and some other business interest from another country will buy it. Would you have a problem then with the sale?
I'm not that bothered about it anyway tbh, I think we'll be ok.
 

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I'm not that bothered about it anyway tbh, I think we'll be ok.
Ok. So we can take it that you don't object to the ESB taking over NIE then?
 

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Actually tis gives us an insight into the Unionist mindset. Just how insecure they really are. Imagine getting up in arms about an irish electric co. buying out another electricity co.
 

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They've evry right to be worried. We have the most expensive electricity in Europe
We used to have the cheapest due to the E.S.B.'s savvy in selectively purchasing supplies when the relevant markets were down.

Prices to consumers have been kept artificially high by the government and the regulator in order to create a market into which 'competitors' would come in.

Just wait and see what happens once 40% of the E.S.B.'s customers have made the switch to other suppliers of power in the Irish market. An Bord Gáis have already started putting caveats into their advertising!
 

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What unionists should be concerned about is the fact that, with all the issues that politicians on this island are dealing with, unionist politicians are wasting time they could use more constructively on such a petty issue like this. This kind of behaviour is hardly in their constituents interest.
 

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I heard they spread Papism through the plugs.
Very close. Actually, we were going to use subliminal messages using morse code by switching on and off all the lights in East Belfast without them knowing anything about it. Since they're on to us, I guess it's time to get back to converting those damn Norwegians.

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Contarary to your beliefs Im not exactly the greatest fan of the Provisional movement...However the sacrafice of so many brave Volunteers continues to this day to be inspiration to people across the world and if you really dont believe that the "Troubles" shook British Imperialism and discredited it far and wide you are living in a provinical glass house...

Something of that significance doesnt just arise out of a few psychopaths...It was a product of the real material social realities of the occupied six counties...You should do yourself a favour and start asking seriously why the "Troubles" happened and why they went on for so long...
The sacrifice pales when people around the world are told that the Provos killed more Catholics than they did policemen, soldiers, prods, British politicians, members of the Royal family, children (of all ages, sexes and creeds), Loyalists, non-nationals, and so forth, combined.

The troubles went on so long, in part, because of the numbers of Catholics killed by the Provos- intimidation of the community within which they festered was a primal strategy.
 

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The sacrifice pales when people around the world are told that the Provos killed more Catholics than they did policemen, soldiers, prods, British politicians, members of the Royal family, children (of all ages, sexes and creeds), Loyalists, non-nationals, and so forth, combined.

The troubles went on so long, in part, because of the numbers of Catholics killed by the Provos- intimidation of the community within which they festered was a primal strategy.
Given the percentage of civilians killed by the Provies is less (by a good bit) than the percentage of civilians killed by the Legal colonial forces (lets not for the moment get into the illegal colonial forces who were the ones to win the troubles for the Brits) Id be interested to see where you pulled that figure from.

Also a "Cafalick" Brit agent or a "Cafalick" RUC/Squaddie/UDR man is all one and the same to me as a "Prod" one...The war was about National Liberation and to some degree Socialism and NOT "Cafalick" civil rights. An RC civilian being unjustly murdered is just as sad and as wrong as a Protestant being murdered.

The "years of lead" in Italy which have similarities to the "Troubles" petered out in the early 80s...Your theory about why the Troubles went on for so long is typical stater silliness...Refusing to understand the realities of the occupied six counties (in a large part due to the fact that you cant face the realities of the other failed statelet enforced on this nation).

Until those realities are effectively dealt with I would say that the UVF/RHC/UDA/UFF only won a temporary cessation for the Brits.
 

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"I am sure you will appreciate the political outcry that would have emerged if the Northern Ireland Executive... sought to acquire the entire network of the Republic of Ireland."

Political outcry? I doubt it. More like p*ssing themselves laughing at where Robbo and Reg think the money to buy would come from. I don't think Iris has any more favours to sell.
 

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This kind of thing sends out a *very* negative message to the global markets. It basically demonstrates that Northern Ireland's Government is prepared to apply sectarianism to inward investment. Would they decide that a French company was "too Catholic and Republican?".

Incidentally, NIE is not the Grid Operator. Eirgrid purchased SONI in 2008 for £30 million. So, that aspect of their infrastructure has been sold off for quite some time.

NIE itself is owned by the Veridian Group Plc, which is a commercial company. It has nothing to do with the NI Govt and it's not a publicly owned utility.

NIE already has some of the highest electricity prices in the EU, so I wouldn't worry about prices going up!

NI needs more competition in this sector, and opening up the grid to the whole island of Ireland makes it a viable size i.e. about 6 million people. Robust interconnections to the UK and beyond also help enormously.
 


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