Unions' squabbling over demarcation despite hospital trolley crisis

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Compulsory health insurance and privatisation of health care has been an absolute disaster for the Netherlands - the average cost per family is now more than €7,000 per year and half the hospitals in the country are on the verge of bankruptcy. Similarly in Germany where the state has regularly to bail out bankrupt hospitals. Healthcare in France is funded by national health insurance.

You claim that Irish health care is 'well-funded by EU standards' - to start with it is not - but even if it was it wouldn't make up for the gross under-investment in health care since the foundation of the state. And the NHS isn't a 'socialist' model - it is a capitalist welfare state model.

And at the end of the day you point the finger at 'overpaid and overpensioned staff' - just drive down wages and all will be right with the world. This is the same staff that will be risking their lives to try and save your life if you end up in hospital as a critical patient from covid19 infection. When you get there go and tell them that they are over-paid and over pensioned and see how they react to you. I have a much better idea - a 10% wealth tax on the richest 300 people in the country would increase investment in health care by 50% - then we could see a dramatic improvement in the trolley crisis and every other aspect of health care in the country.
Government piled money into the health service during the celtic tiger years.
money never made it to the sick. So money is only part of the problem.
65% of Irish people have free health care, even worthless junkies are given it.
The rest of the population get subsidised healthcare.
 


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Do highly trained nurses do the low skilled cleaning in operating theaters.? yes.
Do nurses take their trollies count before 8am and HSE after 11am.? yes. Is Ireland still operating without nursing assistances in the wards.? yes
Where,when and for how long?

In all hospitals before 8AM?....... and do the HSE do so after 11AM?

Is Ireland still operating without nursing assistances in the wards.? yes

Could you be wrong here?
What wards?....isolation....ICU.... recov'...elderly....or are you saying just operating theatres countrywide?
 

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Compulsory health insurance and privatisation of health care has been an absolute disaster for the Netherlands - the average cost per family is now more than €7,000 per year and half the hospitals in the country are on the verge of bankruptcy. Similarly in Germany where the state has regularly to bail out bankrupt hospitals. Healthcare in France is funded by national health insurance.

You claim that Irish health care is 'well-funded by EU standards' - to start with it is not - but even if it was it wouldn't make up for the gross under-investment in health care since the foundation of the state. And the NHS isn't a 'socialist' model - it is a capitalist welfare state model.

And at the end of the day you point the finger at 'overpaid and overpensioned staff' - just drive down wages and all will be right with the world. This is the same staff that will be risking their lives to try and save your life if you end up in hospital as a critical patient from covid19 infection. When you get there go and tell them that they are over-paid and over pensioned and see how they react to you. I have a much better idea - a 10% wealth tax on the richest 300 people in the country would increase investment in health care by 50% - then we could see a dramatic improvement in the trolley crisis and every other aspect of health care in the country.
Germanys private health services is funded by not for profit insurance companies.
Dutch government subsidise private health fees
 

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Where,when and for how long?

In all hospitals before 8AM?....... and do the HSE do so after 11AM?

Is Ireland still operating without nursing assistances in the wards.? yes

Could you be wrong here?
What wards?....isolation....ICU.... recov'...elderly....or are you saying just operating theatres countrywide?
Ask a nurse
 

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Porters can shut down a hospital and are told to act important which to some may mean arrogant. Years ago,a trainee anesthetist told me that in an operation she attended a surgeon asked a porter to bring something urgently needed from the store room to save an elderly woman in a very precarious situation on the operating table. The arrogant porter said it would have to wait till his smoke break ended.
A mother and father had to push their sick daughter up to an operating theater in the Mater a number of years ago due to a porter refusing to relocate from a quite part of the hospital to cover for a sickie, reason being, an agreement was in place to call in another porter resting off at overtime rates .
 

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A mother and father had to push their sick daughter up to an operating theater in the Mater a number of years ago due to a porter refusing to relocate from a quite part of the hospital to cover for a sickie, reason being, an agreement was in place to call in another porter resting off at overtime rates .
Something similar happened in Limerick.

one wonders why there are 125 porters in Beaumont, and none in the hermitage in galway
 

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Government piled money into the health service during the celtic tiger years.
money never made it to the sick. So money is only part of the problem.
65% of Irish people have free health care, even worthless junkies are given it.
The rest of the population get subsidised healthcare.
Between 1970-2000 Germany spent more than double Irish spending on health care - Holland spent 54% more. During the 1980s and 1990s the Irish government cut thousands of beds out of the health system (a number still not replaced). On top of that the cost of private health insurance has risen sharply in the past 10 years - and private spending on health care has risen from 21% in 2008 to 30% by 2016 (and has continued to rise). Ireland has one of the highest costs globally for attending a GP.

And if you are single, living alone - to get a medical card you need to be earning under €9,658 per year - and if you are married with 3 kids €19,942 per year. If you are working a 40-hour week on the minimum wage in this country you earn €21008 a year. The shocking statistic is that 1.5million people in this country have a medical card.

As for subsidised health care - well yes - there are massive subsidises to private health care in this country.
 

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Between 1970-2000 Germany spent more than double Irish spending on health care - Holland spent 54% more. During the 1980s and 1990s the Irish government cut thousands of beds out of the health system (a number still not replaced). On top of that the cost of private health insurance has risen sharply in the past 10 years - and private spending on health care has risen from 21% in 2008 to 30% by 2016 (and has continued to rise). Ireland has one of the highest costs globally for attending a GP.

And if you are single, living alone - to get a medical card you need to be earning under €9,658 per year - and if you are married with 3 kids €19,942 per year. If you are working a 40-hour week on the minimum wage in this country you earn €21008 a year. The shocking statistic is that 1.5million people in this country have a medical card.

As for subsidised health care - well yes - there are massive subsidises to private health care in this country.
As youre so quick to compare us to Germany, you might reflect on the fact that in Germany a single person on 18,000 pa pays c 4,800 tax

here the same person pays about 500.

but as a paid up member of the free lunch brigade i assume you know this and choose to ignore it
 

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Germanys private health services is funded by not for profit insurance companies.
Not true - there is a statutory health insurance system and a parallel private insurance system.

Over the past 20 years cuts have been implemented in the statutory system that has significantly shifted the cost onto workers and away from the government and the employer. In Germany many of the public law corporations have run up significant debts, a large number of German hospitals are in debt and the German government has had to bailout hospitals, particularly by giving major subsidies to hire sufficient medical professionals.

Dutch government subsidise private health fees
Since 2006 when compulsory health insurance was introduced the Dutch government have consistently reduced the coverage provided by UHI - increasing excesses, removing treatments and removing drugs from coverage - the cost of healthcare in Holland has been spiraling out of control as a result of compulsory health insurance.
 

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A mother and father had to push their sick daughter up to an operating theater in the Mater a number of years ago due to a porter refusing to relocate from a quite part of the hospital to cover for a sickie, reason being, an agreement was in place to call in another porter resting off at overtime rates .
So one incident - that has still not been confirmed - is now regarded as standard across the health service.

Maybe you should keep that in mind if you become a victim of Covid 19 and you need to be wheeled into an ICU.
 

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So one incident - that has still not been confirmed - is now regarded as standard across the health service.

Maybe you should keep that in mind if you become a victim of Covid 19 and you need to be wheeled into an ICU.
There was a similar incident in limerick, which was confirmed

last time i had a procedure i was wheeled to theatre by the operating surgeon. It was a private hospital. I asked the surgeon about this and he said it was an opportunity to reassure the patient and chat on the way down

imagine if that was done in a public hospital - the ”wurkers” would immediately down tools
 

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Between 1970-2000 Germany spent more than double Irish spending on health care - Holland spent 54% more. During the 1980s and 1990s the Irish government cut thousands of beds out of the health system (a number still not replaced). On top of that the cost of private health insurance has risen sharply in the past 10 years - and private spending on health care has risen from 21% in 2008 to 30% by 2016 (and has continued to rise). Ireland has one of the highest costs globally for attending a GP.

And if you are single, living alone - to get a medical card you need to be earning under €9,658 per year - and if you are married with 3 kids €19,942 per year. If you are working a 40-hour week on the minimum wage in this country you earn €21008 a year. The shocking statistic is that 1.5million people in this country have a medical card.

As for subsidised health care - well yes - there are massive subsidises to private health care in this country.
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As for subsidised health care - well yes - there are massive subsidises to private health care in this country.
 
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So one incident - that has still not been confirmed - is now regarded as standard across the health service.

Maybe you should keep that in mind if you become a victim of Covid 19 and you need to be wheeled into an ICU.
WURKERS
They are always right and bosses always wrong in your Marxist/Trotskyist mind.
 

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I would think that one of the reason for the trolley ccrisis was work practices of doctors and consultants, how is that their would beso many on trolleys and within a couple of hours the numbers would drop.
 

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To change your nappy again?
You always get caught bullshitting and lying.....it's funny that you think nobody notices that.
Do highly trained nurses do the low skilled cleaning in operating theaters.? yes.
Do nurses take their trollies count before 8am and HSE after 11am.? yes. Is Ireland still operating without nursing assistances in the wards.? yes
The above is fact. Grow up
 


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