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'Trouble erupting in the New lodge area as expected PSNI ball boys come in heavy handed antagonising and taunting our republican youths..' - Republican Sinn Féin

Put your personal bias aside and have a look at the evidence in front of your eyes. I counted 15 armored vehicles. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there's going to be a violent backlash.
And them dissidents are such peace lovers, a nice Bobby on his bike could have solved it, it would have been like there murder of Lyra.
 


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And them dissidents are such peace lovers, a nice Bobby on his bike could have solved it, it would have been like there murder of Lyra.
We Irish know of no spectacle so disgusting as when you foreigners, given your history in our country, throw one of your hypocritical fits of morality.
 

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'Trouble erupting in the New lodge area as expected PSNI ball boys come in heavy handed antagonising and taunting our republican youths..' - Republican Sinn Féin

Put your personal bias aside and have a look at the evidence in front of your eyes. I counted 15 armored vehicles. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there's going to be a violent backlash.
‘New Lodge bonfire a danger to life’ @GerryKellyMLA https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/54612

The PSNI and statutory agencies are pulling out of the New Lodge because there now exists a danger to life surrounding a bonfire built by anti-social elements, Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly has said.

The North Belfast MLA commented: “I have been on the ground along with Carál Ní Chuilín MLA and party Councillor JJ Magee throughout the day supporting local residents and engaging with all the statutory agencies.

“The PSNI have now confirmed that they have pulled out of the area on the basis that there was a substantial danger to life.

“Emergency services have been activated and the statutory agencies have warned that this bonfire presents a threat to the nearby tower blocks. The Housing Executive are now intervening to advise residents of possible evacuation measures. This is a disgraceful situation because residents include people who are already vulnerable, some of whom have disabilities and other health related problems.

“Sinn Féin has been talking to the statutory agencies and residents over a period of weeks and we will continue to do so in the time ahead to ensure the community is kept informed and measures are put in place to ensure there is never any repeat of this intimidation.

“The vast majority of the community have told us they do not want this bonfire. It has been built by anti-social elements, who torture this district throughout the year and many of whom are well known."

And them dissidents are such peace lovers, a nice Bobby on his bike could have solved it, it would have been like there murder of Lyra.
I'm not quite sure what that has to do with the convoy of armored police vehicles which descended on the New Lodge, and I think people are free to have a look at the video footage provided by Republican Sinn Féin, and compare it to the statement issued by Provisional Sinn Féin, in support of the police, and decide for themselves if Gerry Kelly is a liar and a fraud in his heart. The bonfire isn't next nor near the block of flats, and if Provisional Sinn Féin in Belfast are as opposed to anti-social elements as they claim to be, perhaps they should consider not standing any more joyriders and wife-beaters for election in Dublin.
 
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‘New Lodge bonfire a danger to life’ @GerryKellyMLA https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/54612

The PSNI and statutory agencies are pulling out of the New Lodge because there now exists a danger to life surrounding a bonfire built by anti-social elements, Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly has said.

The North Belfast MLA commented: “I have been on the ground along with Carál Ní Chuilín MLA and party Councillor JJ Magee throughout the day supporting local residents and engaging with all the statutory agencies.

“The PSNI have now confirmed that they have pulled out of the area on the basis that there was a substantial danger to life.

“Emergency services have been activated and the statutory agencies have warned that this bonfire presents a threat to the nearby tower blocks. The Housing Executive are now intervening to advise residents of possible evacuation measures. This is a disgraceful situation because residents include people who are already vulnerable, some of whom have disabilities and other health related problems.

“Sinn Féin has been talking to the statutory agencies and residents over a period of weeks and we will continue to do so in the time ahead to ensure the community is kept informed and measures are put in place to ensure there is never any repeat of this intimidation.

“The vast majority of the community have told us they do not want this bonfire. It has been built by anti-social elements, who torture this district throughout the year and many of whom are well known."



I'm not quite sure what that has to do with the convoy of armored police vehicles which descended on the New Lodge, and I think people are free to have a look at the video footage provided by Republican Sinn Féin, and compare it to the statement issued by Provisional Sinn Féin, in support of the police, and decide for themselves if Gerry Kelly is a liar and a fraud in his heart. The bonfire isn't next nor near the block of flats, and if Provisional Sinn Féin in Belfast are as opposed to anti-social elements as they claim to be, perhaps they should consider not standing any more joyriders and wife-beaters for election in Dublin.
The convoy of armoured Police vehicles were there to protect the removal teams from armed dissident scum attacks just like the one when they killed poor Lyra.
Why do you have to blame the PSNI for everything when it is the dissident controlled Rioters who are the problem.
And the residents were advised to evacuate by the fire service or I suppose that is a conspiracy also.
Police apology for New Lodge bonfire removal failure - women and children used as shields in violence, residents told to evacuate homes
Police apology for New Lodge bonfire removal failure - women and children used as shields in violence, residents told to evacuate homes - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
 

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The convoy of armoured Police vehicles were there to protect the removal teams from armed dissident scum attacks just like the one when they killed poor Lyra.

Why do you have to blame the PSNI for everything when it is the dissident controlled Rioters who are the problem.

And the residents were advised to evacuate by the fire service or I suppose that is a conspiracy also.
dissident - a person who opposes official policy, especially that of an authoritarian state.

dissent - the holding or expression of opinions at variance with those commonly or officially held.

Firstly, a Republican is a person who supported the Irish Republic, proclaimed-in-arms in 1916, and ratified by the votes of the people in the 1918 election. Now, rewind the clock to 1994 and the objectives of the Republican Movement could be spelled out as follows:

1) A Declaration of intent from the British Government to withdraw from Ireland

2) An All-Ireland election to a National Assembly

3) The unconditional release of all Political Prisoners

Secondly, a Dissident by sheer definition is a person who Dissents from that official view, as opposed to someone with a gun in their hand. Gerry Kelly for example, is the dictionary definition of a person who supported the 1916 Republic and then made a conscious choice to Dissent against it.

Thirdly, and most importantly, Republicans supported the IRA Ceasefire, but continued to support the official Republican objectives above. See RTÉ, 1997:


I don't support armed attacks against anyone. I support civil disobedience within the law. In other words, I think Republicans and Nationalists should give their names and addresses and be civil to the police, north and south, but resign from any committees or boards they are involved in.

Q.1 - Do you support Irish re-unification?

Yes
No

Q.2 - Do you support an Independent Federal Republic?

Yes
No

Q.3 - Do you support a continuation of British rule in Ireland?

Yes
No

And everyone on the island over 18 gets one vote.
So whilst I would vote Yes for questions 2, and I disagree with people who support partition, and devolved government in a UI, I think the option of maintaining the status quo and the current system should be included in a referendum.
 

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Here gobsh1te - read and weep.

Where does it say anything about merging the national teams?

The IFA runs football in NI so if some football league teams take it on themselves to join aa All Ireland league, they would be expelled from the Irish League. And would have no access to European football.

Load of balls, just as I said.
 

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Where does it say anything about merging the national teams?

The IFA runs football in NI so if some football league teams take it on themselves to join aa All Ireland league, they would be expelled from the Irish League. And would have no access to European football.

Load of balls, just as I said.
UEFA won't allow two separate associations to continue entering teams in European competitions following re-unification, and besides, the financial windfall from re-alignment and participation in an expanded Irn Bru Cup has greater potential, particularly for northern clubs who continuously get knocked out in the 1st rounds of the Euros, and the attendances at Setanta Cup matches featuring northern clubs exceeded those at most Irish League club games. It's a win-win.
 

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UEFA won't allow two separate associations to continue entering teams in European competitions following re-unification, and besides, the financial windfall from re-alignment and participation in an expanded Irn Bru Cup has greater potential, particularly for northern clubs who continuously get knocked out in the 1st rounds of the Euros, and the attendances at Setanta Cup matches featuring northern clubs exceeded those at most Irish League club games. It's a win-win.
Linfield are leading after the away leg of their 3rd round Euro qualifier.

Not they there ever will be any unification, but England,Scotland, NI and Wales are unified and have 4 sets of teams in Europe.

So there is a precedent and the IFA are one of the permanent FIFA committee members.
 

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Linfield are leading after the away leg of their 3rd round Euro qualifier.
That's great news and I hope they qualify for the group stages.

Not they there ever will be any unification, but England, Scotland, NI and Wales are unified and have 4 sets of teams in Europe.
Next year the Irish League will only have 3 teams, as NI has slipped to 52nd place, and they will have to compete in the qualifiers for the qualifying round, for teams ranked 52-55.

'The lost place cost the league at least £195k in European prize-money and will have significant ramifications for the coming season, with the European play-offs expected to be scrapped.

However, a summer of hugely improved results means the league will again have four teams in Europe for the 2021/22 season, meaning just one season, the 20/21 campaign, with reduced numbers.' - Revealed: Irish League has already won back lost European place ...
 

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Have to feel a little sorry for anyone who supports the IRA after what has been exposed beyond any doubt any argument

I've never met an IRA supporter who didn't resort to bullying at some stage
 

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As fears grow of a no-deal Brexit, the possibility of a Border poll on a united Ireland is back on the news agenda, even if the Government is saying it will not be rushed into supporting this option. But what would be the key issues in merging two very different economies, which have had divergent fortunes in recent years ? And how would the issue of the huge subsidy from the UK exchequer be dealt with?
New research sheds light on the economics of a united Ireland and the divergent performance of the two economies. And it points to the huge amount of further research and decision making which would be needed in planning out the future of a united economy.


The Irish Times
 

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A few years back I'd have said we had some leisure time to consider the economic impact and possible structures around a reunified Ireland, but in fairness given the unexpected boost to that cause unwittingly supplied by David Cameron and co it might be better to plan to plan seriously and a little bit sooner!
 

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In fact, if we play our cards right, given the belligerence between Westminster and Brussels, we might find that we have more soft-power arising both in Brussels and in Washington around the benefits of unification. And assistance in the mechanics of reunification.

We do have a tremendous amount of goodwill and a fair sized lobby in both camps while Westminster is pissing off one camp and making alarming assumptions about the level of good will they have in the other.

All Varadkar and co have to do is wave the existing agreement sponsored by Washington and signed by Westminster every time the latter tries to renege on that existing agreement around a hard border, and the obvious solution to both Brussels and Washington would become much clearer.

Suppose UK representatives arrive in Washington looking for a trade deal and the Americans were to attach a condition to any trade agreement that a gradual move toward removing ANY kind of border across the island of Ireland should be in play.

All we need to do is stay on the side of the angels publicly, prepare the ground for the process, and let existing dynamics as they stand play out.

We don't have to make any concessions at all. And we do need to operate the good will communications via the Irish lobby in both Brussels and in Washington. In fact, we hardly need speak to Westminster at all.

Bare diplomatic courtesies, avoiding tit-for-tat exchanges with Brexiteers, and focus on the current political dynamics as something that could ultimately be very much to our political advantage.
 

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In fact, if we play our cards right, given the belligerence between Westminster and Brussels, we might find that we have more soft-power arising both in Brussels and in Washington around the benefits of unification. And assistance in the mechanics of reunification.

We do have a tremendous amount of goodwill and a fair sized lobby in both camps while Westminster is pissing off one camp and making alarming assumptions about the level of good will they have in the other.

All Varadkar and co have to do is wave the existing agreement sponsored by Washington and signed by Westminster every time the latter tries to renege on that existing agreement around a hard border, and the obvious solution to both Brussels and Washington would become much clearer.

Suppose UK representatives arrive in Washington looking for a trade deal and the Americans were to attach a condition to any trade agreement that a gradual move toward removing ANY kind of border across the island of Ireland should be in play.

All we need to do is stay on the side of the angels publicly, prepare the ground for the process, and let existing dynamics as they stand play out.

We don't have to make any concessions at all. And we do need to operate the good will communications via the Irish lobby in both Brussels and in Washington. In fact, we hardly need speak to Westminster at all.

Bare diplomatic courtesies, avoiding tit-for-tat exchanges with Brexiteers, and focus on the current political dynamics as something that could ultimately be very much to our political advantage.
Great idea but, Brussells and Washington both know that Ireland is an insignificant parasite country.

Buys nothing and contributes nothing either financially or militarily.

A more deluded nation has never existed.
 

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It may be that the only reason Giant Haystacks in Downing Street and his mob of time-travelling nostalgics are going for a crash-out Brexit is because if he tries to get what he wants from Brussels we ourselves could veto any proposed deal and they'd be back to the drawing board.

To discount Ireland's position with Brussels and with Washington in terms of political leverage would be to make yet another great mistake in an increasing line of them emerging from Westminster.
 


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