United Kingdom in new push for Turkish EU Membership

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Despite (or perhaps because?) now being on a path to leave the EU, the United Kingdom has promised to help Turkey in its efforts to join the EU. We all know Turkey has been a turbulent place but events like the coup aren't the only things happening. For example, in addition to regular terrorist attacks we all hear about, just days ago both Germany and the UK temporarily closed their embassies because of credible threats of attacks to coincide with a Muslim holy day and the week before that Turkey threw an Austrian archaeological team out of the country as punishment for some slight Vienna supposedly gave Erdogen. Boris Johnson bravely showed up in Ankara (despite having penned a prize winning limerick about Erdogen's goat-love) in what was no doubt a visit designed to secure a post-EU trade deal and declared support for Turkish accession.

It doesn't bear repeating at this stage that the idea of extending the EU (deliberately softened and porous) border to Syria and Iraq is as much an anathema to EU domestic security agencies as it is to most EU citizens as is the notion of expanding the EU to include a polity consisting of 70 million Muslims. A polity which seems to increasingly favour Islamic conservatism over liberal democracy.

So what's going on? Why do our political elite still claim to want Turkish accession? Is this cynical window dressing or do they really mean it? If it's cynical, doesn't this show dreadful contempt for Joe Citizen? If they're serious, what are they thinking?​

Read about it here: Boris Johnson says Britain will now help Turkey join EU despite using prospect to help win referendum
 


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Despite (or perhaps because?) now being on a path to leave the EU, the United Kingdom has promised to help Turkey in its efforts to join the EU. We all know Turkey has been a turbulent place but events like the coup aren't the only things happening. For example, in addition to regular terrorist attacks we all hear about, just days ago both Germany and the UK temporarily closed their embassies because of credible threats of attacks to coincide with a Muslim holy day and the week before that Turkey threw an Austrian archaeological team out of the country as punishment for some slight Vienna supposedly gave Erdogen. Boris Johnson bravely showed up in Ankara (despite having penned a prize winning limerick about Erdogen's goat-love) in what was no doubt a visit designed to secure a post-EU trade deal and declared support for Turkish accession.

It doesn't bear repeating at this stage that the idea of extending the EU (deliberately softened and porous) border to Syria and Iraq is as much an anathema to EU domestic security agencies as it is to most EU citizens as is the notion of expanding the EU to include a polity consisting of 70 million Muslims. A polity which seems to increasingly favour Islamic conservatism over liberal democracy.

So what's going on? Why do our political elite still claim to want Turkish accession? Is this cynical window dressing or do they really mean it? If it's cynical, doesn't this show dreadful contempt for Joe Citizen? If they're serious, what are they thinking?​

Read about it here: Boris Johnson says Britain will now help Turkey join EU despite using prospect to help win referendum
It's a pity you had to taint an otherwise decent OP with this bit of Islamophobia. I suppose you can't help yourself.

On the substantive issue, the UK can make whatever noises they like. Their influence within Europe is at its nadir now, as are attitudes towards Turkey in the light of recent events there.
 

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Boris doing a favour for the relatives or trying to justify Brexit by wrecking the EU? Either way, he's a cheeky monkey.
 

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It's a pity you had to taint an otherwise decent OP with this bit of Islamophobia. I suppose you can't help yourself.

On the substantive issue, the UK can make whatever noises they like. Their influence within Europe is at its nadir now, as are attitudes towards Turkey in the light of recent events there.
Nothing wrong with being concerned about the growth of Islam in Europe as it is a backward, intolerant, totalitarian, political ideology which advocates savagery.
 

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Assad's Syria would be a better candidate. Or Lebanon (serious European links there).

Turkey's admission would kill the project, put quite simply.
 

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It's a pity you had to taint an otherwise decent OP with this bit of Islamophobia. I suppose you can't help yourself.
Your objection appears to be based on the 'progressive' shibboleth that, when it comes to immigrants, it is impolite to pay any attention to their culture except to welcome the vibrancy it beings. The circle of people who continue to genuflect at this once harmless but now dangerous and untrue piety grows smaller every day.

On the substantive issue, the UK can make whatever noises they like. Their influence within Europe is at its nadir now, as are attitudes towards Turkey in the light of recent events there.
I agree. The UK could hardly wield less influence at this point in time. So what of the other question? Why do mainstream politicians continue to pretend (or are they pretending?) to want Turkish accession? IMO, this phenomenon (Political elites treating the electorate as morons who cannot be trusted with straight talking) is part of what is driving the (potentially very dangerous) rise of populism in Europe and the USA.
 

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Your objection appears to be based on the 'progressive' shibboleth that, when it comes to immigrants, it is impolite to pay any attention to their culture except to welcome the vibrancy it beings. The circle of people who continue to genuflect at this once harmless but now dangerous and untrue piety grows smaller every day.



I agree. The UK could hardly wield less influence at this point in time. So what of the other question? Why do mainstream politicians continue to pretend (or are they pretending?) to want Turkish accession? IMO, this phenomenon (Political elites treating the electorate as morons who cannot be trusted with straight talking) is part of what is driving the (potentially very dangerous) rise of populism in Europe and the USA.
My objection was to the implication that we should be concerned about our fellow citizens, or potential citizens, merely because they are Muslim.
 

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By the way, you have to admire Boris. In May of this year, he penned this:

There was a young fellow from Ankara
Who was a terrific ************************erer
Till he sowed his wild oats
With the help of a goat
But he didn’t even stop to thankera.

And a mere 4 months later, turned up here:


 
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Boris Johnson is being quickly exposed as an intellectual light junior fly-weight. He's utterly unsuited to any senior role.
 

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My objection was to the implication that we should be concerned about our fellow citizens, or potential citizens, merely because they are Muslim.
Conservative Muslims who have repeatedly voted for an Islamist president bent on rowing back liberalism and democracy, yes. Of course we should be concerned. It won't be that much longer before it will no longer be tenable to pretend, in public, that these facts can be of no legitimate concern.

I take it you remain oblivious to the link between these polite pretences you favour and the rise of populism in a polity sick of such pretence?
 

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Despite (or perhaps because?) now being on a path to leave the EU, the United Kingdom has promised to help Turkey in its efforts to join the EU. We all know Turkey has been a turbulent place but events like the coup aren't the only things happening. For example, in addition to regular terrorist attacks we all hear about, just days ago both Germany and the UK temporarily closed their embassies because of credible threats of attacks to coincide with a Muslim holy day and the week before that Turkey threw an Austrian archaeological team out of the country as punishment for some slight Vienna supposedly gave Erdogen. Boris Johnson bravely showed up in Ankara (despite having penned a prize winning limerick about Erdogen's goat-love) in what was no doubt a visit designed to secure a post-EU trade deal and declared support for Turkish accession.

It doesn't bear repeating at this stage that the idea of extending the EU (deliberately softened and porous) border to Syria and Iraq is as much an anathema to EU domestic security agencies as it is to most EU citizens as is the notion of expanding the EU to include a polity consisting of 70 million Muslims. A polity which seems to increasingly favour Islamic conservatism over liberal democracy.

So what's going on? Why do our political elite still claim to want Turkish accession? Is this cynical window dressing or do they really mean it? If it's cynical, doesn't this show dreadful contempt for Joe Citizen? If they're serious, what are they thinking?​

Read about it here: Boris Johnson says Britain will now help Turkey join EU despite using prospect to help win referendum
Johnson is a nasty, nasty piece of work.

The Brexit campaign created fear about Turkish membership of EU.

Even did a whole leaflet aboyut Turkey about to join. Making much of its borders & proximity to Syria & Iran.
 

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Boris Johnson is being quickly exposed as an intellectual light junior fly-weight. He's utterly unsuited to any senior role.
He's unsuitable to any role.
He is vile.
From being sacked by the Times, the Darius Guppy affair, the extramarital affairs, being sacked by Michael Howard.
He made up a lot of the Euro myths, now seen as "fact" when he was Telegraph's Brussels correspondent.
 

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Of course Mary Mcaleese thinks Turkish membership is a great idea
 

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Boris has Turkish ancestry. The UK position on Turkish EU accession is no different to what it always has been going back to their enthusiastic support for Turkey's "candidate" status in 1999. As for the notion that it doesn't much matter what the UK thinks , perhaps somebody should explain that to successive inhabitants of the Oval Office who have been influential cheerleaders for Turkey all the while.
 

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Boris has Turkish ancestry. The UK position on Turkish EU accession is no different to what it always has been going back to their enthusiastic support for Turkey's "candidate" status in 1999. As for the notion that it doesn't much matter what the UK thinks , perhaps somebody should explain that to successive inhabitants of the Oval Office who have been influential cheerleaders for Turkey all the while.
My theory on why the US and the UK support it so vociferously is that the US do not want to see a cohesive, federal EU emerge. Turkish accession would be a stick through the spokes of that particular bike. Additionally, they get brownies from Turkey and keep them onside. I guess the US never foresaw just how thoroughly the EU would fuk up, rendering the spectre of Turkish accession surplus to requirements in heading off any prospect of a EUropean superstate.
 


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