United Kingdom vs European Union

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The Good Friday Agreement gives the people of Northern Ireland a vote on which Union they wish to be part of. To rejoin the EU will mean sending TD's to Dublin rather than MP's to Westminster. If such a vote what things would Unionists need to make them feel comfortable in this new dispensation?

Northern Ireland football association.
An assembly of sorts??
The police force to continue not enforcing laws on matters such as flags and illegal bonfires etc.
 


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The Good Friday Agreement gives the people of Northern Ireland a vote on which Union they wish to be part of. To rejoin the EU will mean sending TD's to Dublin rather than MP's to Westminster. If such a vote what things would Unionists need to make them feel comfortable in this new dispensation?

Northern Ireland football association.
An assembly of sorts??
The police force to continue not enforcing laws on matters such as flags and illegal bonfires etc.
Jobs .
 

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The probability is that in the EU we will have more jobs.

Directly the EU funds a lot of firms in Northern Ireland such as farming.
Indirectly free trade with the EU & its trade partners will be easier than trying to trade from within the UK.
 

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So a referendum is now not a vote to leave the Union and to be part of a republican socialist state of Ireland, it’s to be a vote on joining a sovereign EU state? The “patriot dead” of 1916 and all their prior and post so-called martyrs would have been proud of this concept?
 

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So a referendum is now not a vote to leave the Union and to be part of a republican socialist state of Ireland, it’s to be a vote on joining a sovereign EU state? The “patriot dead” of 1916 and all their prior and post so-called martyrs would have been proud of this concept?
You think the EU is a sovereign state?

The EU is the not perfect but its a lot better than any alternative. If you think the UK will succeed outside the EU then everything is going to be great. As it is most people who have a major business in Tyrone who I talk with are dreading the prospect.
 

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So a referendum is now not a vote to leave the Union and to be part of a republican socialist state of Ireland, it’s to be a vote on joining a sovereign EU state? The “patriot dead” of 1916 and all their prior and post so-called martyrs would have been proud of this concept?
There's a strong Irish nationalist tradition of wanting to see Ireland 'take its place among the nations of the earth'. The EU offers just such a possibility.
 

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It's a vote on what is best for Ireland as a whole. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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You think the EU is a sovereign state?

The EU is the not perfect but its a lot better than any alternative. If you think the UK will succeed outside the EU then everything is going to be great. As it is most people who have a major business in Tyrone who I talk with are dreading the prospect.
You’re suggesting Northern Ireland leaves the UK and joins the EU.
 

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You’re suggesting Northern Ireland leaves the UK and joins the EU.
Northern Ireland will send its TD's to Dublin and other representatives to the EU. This means the vote is between being in the tiny UK and the powerful EU when it comes to issues such as trade or setting of standards for industry.
 

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Northern Ireland will send its TD's to Dublin and other representatives to the EU. This means the vote is between being in the tiny UK and the powerful EU when it comes to issues such as trade or setting of standards for industry.
So it’s no longer about Irish independence?
 

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That’s not how you’re presenting it on this thread. You’re presenting it as out of one Union and into another Union.
For the people who are voting in Northern Ireland it will be. They are currently citizens of both the United kingdom and the EU. With a vote in the referendum the will have to choose which Union will be best for themselves and their children.
 

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That’s not how you’re presenting it on this thread. You’re presenting it as out of one Union and into another Union.
An all Ireland parliament in the EU?
Yes please.
 

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For the people who are voting in Northern Ireland it will be. They are currently citizens of both the United kingdom and the EU. With a vote in the referendum the will have to choose which Union will be best for themselves and their children.
By the time Northern Ireland ever votes on leaving the UK, they’ll not be in the EU.
 

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The probability is that in the EU we will have more jobs.

Directly the EU funds a lot of firms in Northern Ireland such as farming.
Indirectly free trade with the EU & its trade partners will be easier than trying to trade from within the UK.
Until you quantify the impact of breaking the link with the rest of the UK you're not in any position to comment on the economic impact of the two alternatives you refer to.
 

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Until you quantify the impact of breaking the link with the rest of the UK you're not in any position to comment on the economic impact of the two alternatives you refer to.
Neither of the govts. or the media can "quantify" the impact, but that doesn't stop them commenting. McSlaggart is perfectly entitled to comment. This is a discussion site after all.
 

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Neither of the govts. or the media can "quantify" the impact, but that doesn't stop them commenting. McSlaggart is perfectly entitled to comment. This is a discussion site after all.
It is, but when he states that "the probability is that there would be more jobs in the EU scenario" then he is putting himself in a position to be challenged on a stament which he has made without having any evidence to support that statement.
 


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