United Left Alliance Candidate in Waterford?

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Waterford has a political tradition of of extreme left wing elements...

does this mean that ULA will have a credible candidate in Waterford?

THe closest declared candidate at the moment to ULA Left Wing policies would be Halligan (former Workers Party).
 


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Roy Hassey (SWP) would be their obvious choice given the origins of the ULA.
 

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Joe Tobin who missed out on a city council seat by 8 votes at the last local elections is rumoured to be running on the WP ticket. In the Locals he picked up quite a very repsectable vote from middle class areas.

He will pick up between 1500-2000 1st preferences but other than that, cant see him being a serious contender.
 

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Waterford has a political tradition of of extreme left wing elements...

does this mean that ULA will have a credible candidate in Waterford?

THe closest declared candidate at the moment to ULA Left Wing policies would be Halligan (former Workers Party).
Halligan voted for bin charges in Waterford so I don't think he'd be accepted by the ULA as opposition to service charges is one of the criteria for candidates.
 

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Halligan voted for bin charges in Waterford so I don't think he'd be accepted by the ULA as opposition to service charges is one of the criteria for candidates.
He also voted for the Book of Estimates which entails service charges and joined the FG/Lab/Ind pact on Waterford City Council so thus as the previous poster pointed out, he would not be accepted into the ULA.
 

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To be perfectly honest the Workers Party has always been stronger than PBP or the Socialist Party in Waterford. If they were to run a candidate I imagine that it would be a People Before Profit candidate because I think they would be larger in Waterford than the Socialist Party and they have ran candidates in the past on several occasions.

I can't imagine the ULA leaving Waterford to the Workers Party so I imagine they will run a PBP candidate such as Roy Hassey,Donie Fell,Jimmy Kelly.
This will be the achilles heel of the left and will fragment the left vote between the above, SF and Halligan with the result no gain for the left imo
 

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To be perfectly honest the Workers Party has always been stronger than PBP or the Socialist Party in Waterford. If they were to run a candidate I imagine that it would be a People Before Profit candidate because I think they would be larger in Waterford than the Socialist Party and they have ran candidates in the past on several occasions.

I can't imagine the ULA leaving Waterford to the Workers Party so I imagine they will run a PBP candidate such as Roy Hassey,Donie Fell,Jimmy Kelly.
Which might explain why the WP was not invited to take part in the talks that formed this entity.
 

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Which might explain why the WP was not invited to take part in the talks that formed this entity.
Personally I would have no problem supporting a WP candidate in Waterford - and to be honest - the WP should join the ULA. For years the WP were arguing for the developemt of a left unity project and now that one has emerged they are acting stand-offish about it - doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Which might explain why the WP was not invited to take part in the talks that formed this entity.
Same goes for the situation in Cork with Barry and Tynan IMO.

'Left Unity' seems only acceptable to the SP and SWP when they have firstly instilled a leadership and chosen candidates. By all means then others can come in and help with donkey work for them.
 

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He also voted for the Book of Estimates which entails service charges and joined the FG/Lab/Ind pact on Waterford City Council so thus as the previous poster pointed out, he would not be accepted into the ULA.
I saw Halligan wearing a very fancy looking coat there the other day while out and about in waterford, looking quite smart so he was... His older age has him leaning more in the champagne socialist direction methinks...
 

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I have no problem with the Workers Party either. They contribute to the left unlike some groups which just give the left a bad name and give some people an excuse to dismiss the left. I would hope that some electrol pact is formed between the ULA and the workers party but I'de be pleasantly suprised if this happend
The Workers' Party for all their many faults understand what Trotskyism is and who Trotsky was.....They would never go into an electoral alliance with the SP.
 
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The Workers' Party for all their many faults understand what Trotskyism is and who Trotsky was.....They would never go into an electoral alliance with the SP.
SevenStars are you going to bring up Trotskyism in every thread about the ULA. It's just pathetic and frankly boring. We get it - you've got a problem with Trotskyist organisations! Get over it. I know in another thread you said you've never met a Stalinist but you're doing a good job of sounding like one.
 

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The Workers' Party for all their many faults understand what Trotskyism is and who Trotsky was.....They would never go into an electoral alliance with the SP.[/QUOTE


:roll::roll: For christs sake grow up, the WP have worked with 'trots' in the past and were involved in discussions to join a similar alliance 2 years ago. They at least recognise the existence of a common enemy, capitalism, and are prepared to fight it with others on the same side rather than attack others on the anticapitalist left because of their views on Stalins Chinese position in the 1920's.
 

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SevenStars are you going to bring up Trotskyism in every thread about the ULA. It's just pathetic and frankly boring. We get it - you've got a problem with Trotskyist organisations! Get over it. I know in another thread you said you've never met a Stalinist but you're doing a good job of sounding like one.
The word "Stalinist" is a Trotskyite slur on Marxist-Leninists or Revolutionary Communists....Maybe I bring it up because Trots are typically dishonest....I mean you call yourselves the real revolutionaries unlike "reformist" "Stalinists" and than you indulge in this farce with an utterly yellow social-democratic programme....
 
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The word "Stalinist" is a Trotskyite slur on Marxist-Leninists or Revolutionary Communists....Maybe I bring it up because Trots are typically dishonest....I mean you call yourselves the real revolutionaries unlike "reformist" "Stalinists" and than you indulge in this farce with an utterly yellow social-democratic programme....
The ULA to the best of my understanding is not a Trotskyist organisation though. It has affiliated groups who are Trotskyist and affiliated groups who are not. They all stand on a minimum enough program agreed, but a program that in the current political climate is a step in the right direction in arguing for left ideas. That is why I see it as a positive development.

On a side note i'd be interested in your response to this. Surely it is more progressive to stand with genuine left groups (united front) then go into an alliance with a capitalist party as Stalin did in China with the Kuomintang?
 

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Personally I would have no problem supporting a WP candidate in Waterford - and to be honest - the WP should join the ULA. For years the WP were arguing for the developemt of a left unity project and now that one has emerged they are acting stand-offish about it - doesn't make sense to me.
The WP isn't at all stand-offish. The party learned about the ULA via the internet and only after it was ready to be launched. It wasn't invited along to the discussions which led up to the formation. The WP has always been open to left-cooperation and has called for it on many occasions in the past. Co-operation is a two-way street however. The ball is in the ULA's court.
 

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Personally I would have no problem supporting a WP candidate in Waterford - and to be honest - the WP should join the ULA. For years the WP were arguing for the developemt of a left unity project and now that one has emerged they are acting stand-offish about it - doesn't make sense to me.
Has the ULA written to the WP inviting it to join, or are people saying in the media whoever wants to join us can do? Is it clear what the circumstances would be regarding candidates? As I understand it from the discussion at CLR, there was no answer to that question when it was raised by an audience member last night. Have we had a formal explanation as to why the WP was not invited that might explain why it was not ok to include it then but is now?

And by the by, the SP had been arguing for left cooperation for years. But whenever another organisation plus a few individuals/other groups declare some sort of broad front without consulting others, the SP has had a tendency to state that this is not the way to do things.
 

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On a side note i'd be interested in your response to this. Surely it is more progressive to stand with genuine left groups (united front) then go into an alliance with a capitalist party as Stalin did in China with the Kuomintang?
The Communist Party of China made a mistake (albeit one that cost many lives tragically) in the heat of real political struggle....But it went on to bring socialism to large parts of China, to liberate women, defeat both the Kuomintang and the Japanese....Wonderful Trotskyites just sit at the side lines and snipe (like the CWI is doing in India at the moment as the revolution progresses underground in the cities). Of course in actual struggle as opposed to self-righteous basically social democratic posturing mistakes are made. Unlike Trotsky Communists arent all perfect gods.

What is the point of this Alliance? To win seats in the utterly discredited Dail? Why?

If the Dail is discredited what is the point of sending people to it to discredit it?

Oh, sorry forgot, you arent Leninists...
 


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