United Left Alliance - Election Launch Meeting 26th November

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The newly established United Left Alliance, which will be publicly launched at a rally in the Ashling Hotel , Dublin on Friday 26 November, involves the Socialist Party, the People Before Profit Alliance, the South Tipperary Workers and Unemployed Action Group and the Independent Socialist group of Declan Bree in Sligo.

The ULA could possibly stand up to 20 candidates in the general election. This will include many who will seriously challenge to win TD positions, most obviously Seamus Healy in South Tipperary, Cllr Joan Collins in Dublin South Central, Richard Boyd Barrett in Dun Laoghaire, and clearly the Socialist Party will be going all out to try to get Joe Higgins MEP and Councillors Clare Daly and Mick Barry elected in Dublin North and Cork North Central respectively.

As of now ULA candidates will stand in five cities, with Declan Bree also standing in Sligo, Seamus O’Brien (PBPA/SWP) standing in Wexford and Cian Prendiville of the Socialist Party standing in Limerick.

ULA Launch Rally in the Ashling Hotel, Dublin on 26 November.

More details about the ULA here -
United Left Alliance to challenge at general election | Socialist Party
 


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Why does Trotskyism seem to be so strong in Ireland relatively speaking?

Could it have something to do with the traditonal Anti-Communism of the place?
 

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Why does Trotskyism seem to be so strong in Ireland relatively speaking?

Could it have something to do with the traditonal Anti-Communism of the place?
They're just better organised, they are a grass roots movement of strong personalities. You have to remember the WP - Stalinist, lost most of their support because they lost their key personalities - both at local and national level. It simply boils down to that IMO - personalities.
 

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They're just better organised, they are a grass roots movement of strong personalities. You have to remember the WP - Stalinist, lost most of their support because they lost their key personalities - both at local and national level. It simply boils down to that IMO - personalities.
And wouldnt say that the Workers Party were Stalinist at all...More "Euro-Communist"....The Communist Party of Ireland for all its failings has done a lot of good work on the ground over the years and its pretty small compared the Socialist Party and the Socialist Workers Party.
 

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And wouldnt say that the Workers Party were Stalinist at all...More "Euro-Communist"....The Communist Party of Ireland for all its failings has done a lot of good work on the ground over the years and its pretty small compared the Socialist Party and the Socialist Workers Party.
yes well, I put it down to organisation anyways. Most ppl haven't a notion of all those political denominations (some of which I think you're making up).
 

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I'de imagine its because Trotskyism was the main voice on the left which opposed the Soviet Union. The Workers party and other parties which dominated the Irish left 20 years ago collapsed after fall of Soviet Union
 

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Taking part in bourgeois elections is a waste of time - worse, it gives legitimacy to the bourgeois regime.
 

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Taking part in bourgeois elections is a waste of time - worse, it gives legitimacy to the bourgeois regime.
Elections can be used as a platform to promote your politics Cael sure dont RSF do that?
 

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Elections can be used as a platform to promote your politics Cael sure dont RSF do that?
I'm not in RSF. And any Marxist who uses elections to promote Marxism really subverts him or herself, as he\she is saying that bourgeois structures are legitimate and could be a locus of change.
 

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There has been much speculation in Sligo as regards Former TD Declan Brees intentions as regards standing in the GE.Im so glad it's now confirmed that Declan will be a candidate running under the United Left Alliance banner,at last the the ordinary people of Sligo/NLeitrim will now have an opportunity to vote for a person who opposes the right wing agenda of FF,FG/Lab.
 

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I'm not in RSF. And any Marxist who uses elections to promote Marxism really subverts him or herself, as he\she is saying that bourgeois structures are legitimate and could be a locus of change.
But you support them.
Not really Cael, if elections are approached with the sole intention of promoting your politics in the eyes of the people who see them as legitimate then I view them as fair game.
Although I agree with you that no change can come from taking part in the structures of capitalism ignoring the publicity benefits of the electoral system is just plain stupid.
And please save the platitudes as Ive heard them all before.
 

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Lenin argued against the Communist Left that Communists should participate in elections in order to expose them and the parlimentary sham in the eyes of workers. Given that most working class people in Ireland dont vote and does who do are pretty cynical about Leinster house and its inhabitants maybe Cael does have sort of a point.
 

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But you support them.
Not really Cael, if elections are approached with the sole intention of promoting your politics in the eyes of the people who see them as legitimate then I view them as fair game.
Although I agree with you that no change can come from taking part in the structures of capitalism ignoring the publicity benefits of the electoral system is just plain stupid.
And please save the platitudes as Ive heard them all before.
I dont support their economic policy which is distributist, i.e. nonsense.

If you just speak to people in the language they already understand, then you are not in the business of Revolution. As Lenin put it, you are leading from behind.
 

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Lenin argued against the Communist Left that Communists should participate in elections in order to expose them and the parlimentary sham in the eyes of workers. Given that most working class people in Ireland dont vote and does who do are pretty cynical about Leinster house and its inhabitants maybe Cael does have sort of a point.
Yes, Lenin did a lot of damage with that argument. He basically turned Western European Communist parties into servile cheerleaders for the USSR. Stalin continued that policy with his Communism in one country ideology.
 

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What is your attitude to Republican Sinn Fein Cael?
 

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They are expecting a general election very very soon it seems with Joe Higgins debating Leo Varadkar next week and then the ULA Meeting 10 days after that.
 

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What is your attitude to Republican Sinn Fein Cael?
Like them, I give my allegiance to the Governmental Authority of the Irish Republic.
 

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I dont support their economic policy which is distributist, i.e. nonsense.

If you just speak to people in the language they already understand, then you are not in the business of Revolution. As Lenin put it, you are leading from behind.
Your like a internet revolutionary rhetoric watchdog Cael, if you think someone from the left is not speaking revolutionary enough youll throw a bit of Lenin at em like a priest would quote a bible verse.
 

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Your like a internet revolutionary rhetoric watchdog Cael, if you think someone from the left is not speaking revolutionary enough youll throw a bit of Lenin at em like a priest would quote a bible verse.
No, I quite rarely quote Lenin, and, if you look above, I disagree with him on certain issues. But, he is right on one thing - if you dont have a solid theoretical ground, then you are wasting your time. And, Im afraid the IRSP have not done the hard slog of getting a solid theoretical ground. You are just thrashing about, hoping something will happen. I dont say that to hurt you, but in a comradely spirit.
 

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Good development to see. Maybe the Irish left is finally getting over their over-factioned past. The Lenin-Trotsky-Stalin fascination needs to cease. We are not living in pre-industrialised peasant Russia.
 


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