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United States bombing of Vietnam and Laos -and unexploded cluster bombs.

redneck

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President Obama, on a recent visit to Laos described the area as the most bombed country in history. More bombs fell on these South East Asian countries than all the bombs in World War 2. It is estimated almost 260 million bombs fell on the area between Laos and Vietnam. The legendary "Ho Chi Minh trail".
What is especially deadly is the UXO or unexploded ordinance. It is estimated that there is up to 75 million unexploded bombs! These still kill and maim long after the War ended. The Vietnam war took place from the early 1960's to 1975.

Laos: Barack Obama regrets 'biggest bombing in history' - BBC News
 


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The media at the time called it a stone age tactic. Though some say it achieved its objective: if they couldn't stop Indochina going communist then at least they will have caused enough destruction to prevent it becoming a model or example for other countries.
 

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Not sure what the point of this thread is.
 

redneck

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Not sure what the point of this thread is.
My point is twofold: The dangers of unexploded bombs, long after War is over. I mean bombing in Syria and Gaza for example, the effects will be felt a long long time after peace is declared.

Also, the morality of bombing - whether it be by IS, the US air force or the RAF, or the IRA/UVF.
 

GabhaDubh

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Not sure what the point of this thread is.
On average 1 person dies or is maimed per day. This is a long time since the end of hostilities.
 

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The media at the time called it a stone age tactic. Though some say it achieved its objective: if they couldn't stop Indochina going communist then at least they will have caused enough destruction to prevent it becoming a model or example for other countries.
the same tactics being used in Syria and Libya and Gaza. Destroy the country and render it useless. To hell with the consequences.
 

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The soldiers and airmen who did the bombings were acting under orders. I think they were by and large brave and honorable. I blame President Johnson, and possibly Nixon for this war.
The Communists were also way too keen to resort to Guerilla warfare also.
 

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The soldiers and airmen who did the bombings were acting under orders. I think they were by and large brave and honorable. I blame President Johnson, and possibly Nixon for this war.
The Communists were also way too keen to resort to Guerilla warfare also.
Nixon really stepped up the bombing to achieve "peace with honour". He also expanded the war into Laos and Cambodia which ultimately led to the destruction of those societies. This was very foolish as he dragged on the war for another four years and achieved nothing at the negotiating table that he couldn't have got in 1969. Probably the biggest mistake of his presidency.
 

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Nixon really stepped up the bombing to achieve "peace with honour". This was foolish as he dragged on the war for another four years and achieved nothing at the negotiating table that he couldn't have got in 1969. Probably the biggest mistake of his presidency.
nearly 400,000 US soldiers in Vietnam in '68 and '69. It would have been very very difficult to just pull them out in a few weeks. Also last POW's released in late '73.
 

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nearly 400,000 US soldiers in Vietnam in '68 and '69. It would have been very very difficult to just pull them out in a few weeks. Also last POW's released in late '73.
This is true. He wanted to bomb North Vietnam into submission before pulling out on his own terms.
 

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For goodness sake we've reached the second page and not one of the usual suspects has appeared to tell us how the British are to blame for all the unexploded American munitions in Vietnam

What's the world coming to - I remember the days it would have been pinned on the Brits by the third post.
 

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President Obama, on a recent visit to Laos described the area as the most bombed country in history. More bombs fell on these South East Asian countries than all the bombs in World War 2. It is estimated almost 260 million bombs fell on the area between Laos and Vietnam. The legendary "Ho Chi Minh trail".
What is especially deadly is the UXO or unexploded ordinance. It is estimated that there is up to 75 million unexploded bombs! These still kill and maim long after the War ended. The Vietnam war took place from the early 1960's to 1975.

Laos: Barack Obama regrets 'biggest bombing in history' - BBC News
The Irony is that Obama was out there to sell weapons.
 

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Sorry but Washington regrets nothing, how else can you explain it doing the same thing over and over again.

Washington enjoys murder, how many millions has it slaughtered, how many ravaged communities, how many destroyed countries.
 

Eire1976

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Sorry but Washington regrets nothing, how else can you explain it doing the same thing over and over again.

Washington enjoys murder, how many millions has it slaughtered, how many ravaged communities, how many destroyed countries.
There is always the implicit threat coming from the USA.
 

Alphonse

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Actually there was a French occupation and conflict in Vietnam before the American one.
 

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