• It has come to our attention that some users may have been "banned" when they tried to change their passwords after the site was hacked due to a glitch in the old vBulletin software. This would have occurred around the end of February and does not apply after the site was converted to Xenforo. If you believe you were affected by this, please contact a staff member or use the Contact us link at the bottom of any forum page.

University of Leicester confirm remains are Richard the III.


rainmaker

Administrator
Joined
Mar 26, 2012
Messages
22,027
After some painstaking excavation and investigations, the University of Leicester this morning announced that the remains discovered in a council car park last year are, "Beyond reasonable doubt' those of king Richard the Third, the last plantagenet monarch of England & the last English king to die in battle.

Richard, killed at Bosworth during the last clash of the War of the Roses, was identified through DNA comparisons with living descendants, Radio-carbon dating and from known physical characteristics (he had a pronounced curvature of the spine).
BBC News - Richard III dig: DNA confirms bones are king's

He had suffered a large number of horrific injuries at or near time of death, including 'humiliation injuries' (a sword in the buttock). He sustained at least two potentially fatal skull injuries, and at least ten in all, suggesting assault by a number of assailants which seems to confirm contemporary accounts of the battle:

Polydore Vergil, Henry Tudor's official historian, would later record that "King Richard, alone, was killed fighting manfully in the thickest press of his enemies"
Richard III of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However it also reveals that the withered arm, a feature of so many iconic portrayals of Richard, to have been the product of Shakespeares artistic license.

Interestingly the precise location of Richards remains in the carpark, were marked by a painted capital 'R'.
Richard III dig: 'R' marks the spot where skeleton found in Leicester car park | This is Leicestershire



The ability of science to bring history so vividly to life across hundreds of years has now reached genuinley astonishing levels - As have the capabilities and standards of the university system.
 
Last edited:

teapot

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 26, 2009
Messages
1,128
Good that the remains were found in Leicester - the DNA work etc was done by members of the University - the very same University which had Prof Alec Jeffries on the faculty in 1986; when he provided the DNA evidence which secured the first criminal conviction in the world using the DNA as a great part of the case.
Ex-cop and best selling author Joseph Wambaugh from USA (Blue Knight, The Onion Field, etc) was so taken with this event that he wrote a very good book about it - 'The Blooding'
Prof Jeffries is the man who is to DNA what Salk is to Polio Vaccine...
 

Astral Peaks

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
25,986
University,
remains..
 

Astral Peaks

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
25,986
Dammit - first thread nerves :?
You got those typos changed real quick, well done!!

Later tonight a film-length Channel 4 documentary: Richard III: The King in the Car Park, covering today's news and the background to the history will be screened.
 

rainmaker

Administrator
Joined
Mar 26, 2012
Messages
22,027
You got those typos changed real quick, well done!!

Later tonight a film-length Channel 4 documentary: Richard III: The King in the Car Park, covering today's news and the background to the history will be screened.
Thanks - and thanks for the heads up, I wouldn't miss it.
 

Socratus O' Pericles

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 12, 2009
Messages
33,560
Dammit - first thread nerves :?
Select All [Ctrl +A],Cut from comment box [Ctrl X], Open Word ,Paste in Word [Ctrl V], hit F7,correct spellings, Cut from Word, Paste into comment box.
 

flibbles

Active member
Joined
Jun 12, 2011
Messages
150
Best comment on the BBC site has to be

"Why was he buried under a car park?"

A great genius right there.
 

kvran

Well-known member
Joined
May 6, 2010
Messages
1,151
There was a documentary on Saturday on More4, Fact or Fiction: Richard III. Presented by Tony Robinson, it mentioned the bones at the end but didn't definitely say they were his. But much of modern popular perception of Richard III is a product of Tudor propaganda.

Worrying how propaganda can become widely accepted as fact over time.
 

Paddyc

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 30, 2009
Messages
9,265
There were comments when the remains were found along the lines of:

The suspected remains of Richard III were found in Leicester.

Despised and ridiculed, Leicester is a town in the East Midlands
 

rainmaker

Administrator
Joined
Mar 26, 2012
Messages
22,027
There was a documentary on Saturday on More4, Fact or Fiction: Richard III. Presented by Tony Robinson, it mentioned the bones at the end but didn't definitely say they were his. But much of modern popular perception of Richard III is a product of Tudor propaganda.

Worrying how propaganda can become widely accepted as fact over time.
Much is also down to Shakespeare.
 

ManOfReason

Well-known member
Joined
May 24, 2007
Messages
4,328
Poor 'auld Dick The Sh1t, dug up and shown off like a circus freak. Now if they could dig up and revive Shakespeare he might be able to write an extra scene where Richard III gives a monologue on the humiliation of being a celebrity corpse in the 21st centenary.
 

fontenoy

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 4, 2011
Messages
2,415
And in other news Wee Willie reckons he has the truth of the matter

 

Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
52,097
Fascinating. The argument is made on the comments page he shouldn't get a state-funeral because he was a child-killer. This is unproven but probable. However, Henry VIII was also a childkiller. He had an estimated 70,000 people killed during his reign, and had entire towns/villages culled after the Pilgrimage of Grace (Northern England Catholic revolt) so he would be in good company.

Imagine how much would have been different for Ireland had he survived. The English Reformation and the Plantations might not have happened. We might not have partition.
 

McTell

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 16, 2012
Messages
6,091
Twitter
No
I don't remember him asking for a car park. My hearing aid must have been down. Anyway, I thought it was only Mafia figures buried capos under car parks.
Well it is a long-term car park... :)
 

owedtojoy

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 27, 2010
Messages
45,596
After some painstaking excavation and investigations, the University of Leicester this morning announced that the remains discovered in a council car park last year are, "Beyond reasonable doubt' those of king Richard the Third, the last plantagenet monarch of England & the last English king to die in battle.

Richard, killed at Bosworth during the last clash of the War of the Roses, was identified through DNA comparisons with living descendants, Radio-carbon dating and from known physical characteristics (he had a pronounced curvature of the spine).
BBC News - Richard III dig: DNA confirms bones are king's

He had suffered a large number of horrific injuries at or near time of death, including 'humiliation injuries' (a sword in the buttock). He sustained at least two potentially fatal skull injuries, and at least ten in all, suggesting assault by a number of assailants which seems to confirm contemporary accounts of the battle:

Richard III of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However it also reveals that the withered arm, a feature of so many iconic portrayals of Richard, to have been the product of Shakespeares artistic license.

Interestingly the precise location of Richards remains in the carpark, were marked by a painted capital 'R'.
Richard III dig: 'R' marks the spot where skeleton found in Leicester car park | This is Leicestershire



The ability of science to bring history so vividly to life across hundreds of years has now reached genuinley astonishing levels. As are the capabilities and standards of the university system.
Most interesting story of the day.

Richard III is the only medieval King still with a fan club. However, I am not sure if this will rehabilitate him.

Did he kill the Princes in the Tower? Well, he had motive and opportunity, and they were ruthless times.
 

CookieMonster

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 19, 2005
Messages
34,801
Am I the only one hugely unmoved and uninterested in this?
 

borntorum

Well-known member
Joined
May 26, 2008
Messages
12,805
Am I the only one hugely unmoved and uninterested in this?
I wouldn't say I'm completely uninterested, but I certainly don't think it's worth the attention it's getting.

Some people, possibly jealous academics, think that the story has been manipulated by the University of Leicester for publicity reasons.
 
Top