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Expose the lot of them

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Thanks for the reminder Rus. Will try to watch but RTE reception can be patchy on the box we have here in France. No problem with BBC etc. Trying to watch the press conference yesterday was extremely frustrating between poor reception and the incoherent waffling of Mickey, it was only restingin mywife's bank account, Martin.
 

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Long before the Brit's were reneging on treaties, they were murdering their own citizens in the streets and in their homes.

The Irish state then took up the mantle of blaming the victim to it's shame.

It's also worth noting that the Glenanne gang who were the nexus of British state collusion were also prime suspects in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings...so in case you're a little bit sleepy like the guards were...The British state enabled the bombing and murder of civilians on the states own soil...an act of war.

But Republicans/Nationalists bad...Ray D'arcy felt scared in his cozy bed in D4...so that's all that mattered apparently.
 

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The fact that the building where the Stevens Inquiry worked ended up being gutted, and the smear campaign to oust John Stalker from another collusion investigation are sure signs the Establishment had something to hide.
 

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I know that the Stevens Inquiry had two offices, with paperwork duplicated constantly. They had a backup manual filing system in another office which only the Inquiry team knew about. Basically they expected someone to have a go at destroying evidence. And it wasn't Republican groups they were concerned about.
 

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The fact that the building where the Stevens Inquiry worked ended up being gutted, and the smear campaign to oust John Stalker from another collusion investigation are sure signs the Establishment had something to hide.
If they had nothing to hide they wouldnt have spent the last number of years reneging on legacy issue agreements, stifling investigations and making their state security forces above the law ...

Do they not reaslise doing these things makes them look every bit as guilty as they actually are
 

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The best one was the Al-Yammamah Inquiry where BAE were under investigation for paying bribes to Saudi middlemen around the purchase of something like 40 high-spec military jets.

The main Saudi fixer at the time arrived in to see Blair and pounded the Prime Minister's desk, demanding that he halt the official Inquiry. Blair appeared in Downing Street later the same day explaining to the press he was halting the inquiry as it was 'not in the UK's best interests'.

So much for anti-bribery legislation.
 

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Murrays Twitter feed is somwthing. He's got George Galloway, Jackie Walker, Frankie Boyle and a review of Walze with Bashir which he says shows the Shabra and shantila massacre directed by Israel. Maybe they did but Waltz was'nt definitive as far as I remember. I imagine he's a common or garden bigot. Tonight will tell.
 

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Long before the Brit's were reneging on treaties, they were murdering their own citizens in the streets and in their homes.

The Irish state then took up the mantle of blaming the victim to it's shame.

It's also worth noting that the Glenanne gang who were the nexus of British state collusion were also prime suspects in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings...so in case you're a little bit sleepy like the guards were...The British state enabled the bombing and murder of civilians on the states own soil...an act of war.

But Republicans/Nationalists bad...Ray D'arcy felt scared in his cozy bed in D4...so that's all that mattered apparently.
The Garda Commissioner of the day was an MI5 agent who ordered that pretty much all the evidence in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings be destroyed pretty quickly after it
 

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There should be an academic course in the uni titled "Government undercover crime in foreign states" or "Alien government collusion and terrorism" -- along those lines. Why confine yourself to MI5 or MI6... It might useful to compare and to list the different cases. viz Putin and his Novochok adventures in Salisbury, or the French sinking Greanpeace 1 where someone was killed. I'm sure there's lots more going on. Like what are the brits getting so het up about with Novochok in Salisbury?
 

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The film "Unquiet graves" must be taken in the context of the Irish republican uprising that was taking place in the 70's and 80's. The UDR and UVF thought they were defending their communities. Same as 'RA were defending theirs. Let us hope that the Stormont assembly puts an end to any more troubles on this island. Slán
 

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Sure wasn't it all the IRAs fault ?
Perish the thought. They were heroic, ethical freedom fighters who only ever focused on military targets.
 

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There should be an academic course in the uni titled "Government undercover crime in foreign states" or "Alien government collusion and terrorism" -- along those lines. Why confine yourself to MI5 or MI6... It might useful to compare and to list the different cases. viz Putin and his Novochok adventures in Salisbury, or the French sinking Greanpeace 1 where someone was killed. I'm sure there's lots more going on. Like what are the brits getting so het up about with Novochok in Salisbury?
Maybe because it’s yet another example of Russia behaving as a gangster state and acting well outside the bounds of acceptable behaviour.....

* peacetime use of nerve agents
* supplying high altitude anti aircraft weaponry to non state bodies
* unilateral annexation of territory by force
 

Expose the lot of them

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There should be an academic course in the uni titled "Government undercover crime in foreign states" or "Alien government collusion and terrorism" -- along those lines. Why confine yourself to MI5 or MI6... It might useful to compare and to list the different cases. viz Putin and his Novochok adventures in Salisbury, or the French sinking Greanpeace 1 where someone was killed. I'm sure there's lots more going on. Like what are the brits getting so het up about with Novochok in Salisbury?
"Greenpeace 1"? Do you mean the Rainbow Warrior?
 

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The film "Unquiet graves" must be taken in the context of the Irish republican uprising that was taking place in the 70's and 80's. The UDR and UVF thought they were defending their communities. Same as 'RA were defending theirs. Let us hope that the Stormont assembly puts an end to any more troubles on this island. Slán
The IRA didn't have the full weight of a global state egging it on to break it's own laws now did it?

There is some element of cross-community recognition of the context of the conflict and why people fought their own part, but there's no "both sides" when it comes to British collusion. They broke their own laws to help paramilitaries murder people they claimed as their own citizens. In a just world there would be British facing trial in the Hague.
 

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Thanks for the reminder Rus. Will try to watch but RTE reception can be patchy on the box we have here in France. No problem with BBC etc. Trying to watch the press conference yesterday was extremely frustrating between poor reception and the incoherent waffling of Mickey, it was only restingin mywife's bank account, Martin.

And what I did one dark night in Kampala....
 

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The film "Unquiet graves" must be taken in the context of the Irish republican uprising that was taking place in the 70's and 80's. The UDR and UVF thought they were defending their communities. Same as 'RA were defending theirs. Let us hope that the Stormont assembly puts an end to any more troubles on this island. Slán
Is this some sort of feeble attempt to justify what happened. Seriously ? If it is I suggest you don't watch it. There's no point as you'll find a way to blame republicans anyway
 

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