US assassinates Iranian general in Iraq

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A really significant action by the US.


The White House said Donald Trump ordered an air strike that killed powerful Iranian general Qassem Suleimani in Baghdad in the early hours of Friday, in a dramatic escalation of an already bloody struggle between Washington and Tehran for influence across the region.
Suleimani, who ran Iranian military operations in Iraq and Syria, was targeted while being driven from Baghdad airport by local allies from the Popular Mobilisation Units (PMU). The deputy head of the PMU, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes, a close Suleimani associate, was also killed in the attack.
“General Suleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region,” a Pentagon statement said. “This strike was aimed at deterring future Iranian attack plans. The United States will continue to take all necessary action to protect our people and our interests wherever they are around the world.”
Suleimani headed up a large part of the Revolutionary Guard and had a large degree of autonomy on Iran's engagements in Syria and Iraq. Part of that responsibility involved keeping a lid on Daesh, Al Qaeda et al. His importance can't really be understated, every time people talk about Iranian external actions in Lebanon, assisting of Assad, action in Iraq: It's him you're talking about. His recent impact on the region has only been exceeded by Bush Jr.

It's essentially a declaration of war (As the US would interpret the Iranian assassination of Milley for instance), and it'll be interesting to see how Khamenei reacts. Iran's been smart enough not to engage in a ground war with the US, if they respond it will likely be funding and fermenting upsurges of violence against the US and their allies in the region.

The flip side though is that there are moderates in Iran who want to see sanctions lifted. With one of the most powerful people in the country gone, they may have an opportunity to push that agenda.
 


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Why did the Yankees do this?
Directly ordered by Trump!
 

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This is on the “starting a war” side of that needle.

Iran screwing with US boats it says entered its territory is sending a message.
Iran drone striking Pompeo would be starting a war.

Killing individuals isn’t hard. It’s not like Bush or Obama weren’t able to kill this guy, it’s that there’s a number of obvious knock effects to doing so that they wanted to avoid.
 

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there is a difference between sending a message and starting a war. It was Trump that deescalated the previous incidents where the ships were being attacked by Iran or had you forgotten?
As Sync said, if the Iranians had assassinated the US equivalent to Soleimani, we'd be hearing from America how that was a declaration of war. It works both ways.

As for Trump having de escalated anything with Iran, that's a pathetically partisan take on the increasing conflict the Trump adminstration has been fomenting. But in any case, deliberately killing a high ranking official is far more than just "sending a message". It sends a very specific message - the act has been seen as a declaration of war since antiquity.
 

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As Sync said, if the Iranians had assassinated the US equivalent to Soleimani, we'd be hearing from America how that was a declaration of war. It works both ways.

As for Trump having de escalated anything with Iran, that's a pathetically partisan take on the increasing conflict the Trump adminstration has been fomenting. But in any case, deliberately killing a high ranking official is far more than just "sending a message". It sends a very specific message - the act has been seen as a declaration of war since antiquity.
What do you expect from a pig only a grunt, this is the equivalent of killing the political leader of a country, this guy while a war monger himself is second only to the religious leader of Iran in terms of his power and influence.
The orange turd has one thing in mind and that is getting elected later this year, and if starting a war with Iran helps this then he wont care about the lives of his country men lost in the aftermath.
 

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Why did the Yankees do this?
Directly ordered by Trump!
Because the Iranians assaulted an American embassy. That's why they did it. The Americans are a bit more sensitive around embassies concerning Iran than they would be with other political actors for obvious historical reasons.
 

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Because the Iranians assaulted an American embassy. That's why they did it. The Americans are a bit more sensitive around embassies concerning Iran than they would be with other political actors for obvious historical reasons.
If that’s it then it’s clearly idiotic, outside of declaring the end to a two state future for Palestine this is the act most likely to cause future attacks on embassies and US personnel.

If there’s a longer game at play (and these games inevitably have a human cost and every person’s a wonderful snowflake etc etc), then it’s far too early to say if an act like this is the smart move.
 

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Why did the Yankees do this?
Directly ordered by Trump!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New York businessman Donald Trump predicts that a corrupt President will plunge us into World War 3 by attacking Iran (2011) <a href="That's Controversial on Twitter">pic.twitter.com/vmQM3faYqC</a></p>&mdash; That&#39;s Controversial (@muchcontroversy) <a href=" ">January 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Because the Iranians assaulted an American embassy. That's why they did it. The Americans are a bit more sensitive around embassies concerning Iran than they would be with other political actors for obvious historical reasons.
The protesters outside the US embassy were clearly Iraqi citizens.
 

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In 2015 it was Solemani who went to Moscow to persuade the Russians to help the Assad government.
 

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The protesters outside the US embassy were clearly Iraqi citizens.
There’s not a lot of gold in an argument that Iran hasn’t been sponsoring and training the militias involved in the recent embassy issues.

It does appear to show a naivety on the part of the current White House approach If the goal is simply to dissuade these attacks.

Iran backed militants chuck around a few rockets every so often. Eventually one hits a US contractor.

US escalates by attacking bases, whichleads to the embassy attacks

US escalates by killing Suleimani which leads to ?
 
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This could lead to retaliation and war- not much condemnation about American bombers killing human life in the media - it depends who bombs these days and who to condemn and who not to condemn- bombs kill no matter who’s hand is on the trigger-
 

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Iranian militias have been butchering innocent Iraqi protesters in recent months. Only this week they attacked the US embassy.

This general was on his way back from Beirut, where they were stirring the pot by supporting Hezbollah thugs.

Iran only last year attacked Saudi oil fields in order to disrupt the global oil supply.

Despite all of this, the halfwits in the media blame Donald Trump for escalating tensions in the region. I'm sure there will be a week's mourning in students unions across the western world over this...
 
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there is a difference between sending a message and starting a war. It was Trump that deescalated the previous incidents where the ships were being attacked by Iran or had you forgotten?
Remind us who ripped up the agreement between 'the West' and Iran.

Or had you forgotten?
 

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The Quds force have sleeper agents in the US.

I suspect there are alarm clocks ringing throughout the US this morning to wake them up.
 

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In 2015 it was Solemani who went to Moscow to persuade the Russians to help the Assad government.
I wouldn’t overstate it. Russia would most likely have come to the defence of Assad anyway if his Latakia Med naval base was under threat.
 


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