US assassinates Iranian general in Iraq

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The Iranians are now refusing to cooperate with the Ukrainian investigators. This follows the alleged leaking from a Ukrainian source of ATC recordings. These contain a dialogue between Tehran ATC and an aircraft on approach to land at the time of the shoot down in which a pilot reports seeing missile like ‘lights’(ie exhaust flame).

“We will no longer provide any documents to the Ukrainians," the head of the Iranian investigation team, Hassan Rezaeifar.

The claim that the Revolutionary Guard covered this up and kept everyone else in the dark is dubious. Several senior non Guard figures must have known from the beginning that this Ukrainian 752 had been shot down.

Pilot....“Is this an active(ie militarily active) area? There's lights like a missile. Is there anything?"

ATC ...."Nothing has been reported to us. What's the light like?"

Pilot..... "It's the light of a missile."

Shortly afterwards he reports seeing a “big light from an explosion".


The civil authorities must have known from the outset that this was a missile shoot down. All this talk from within the regime about the Revolutionary Guard covering this up is not very credible.

Iran ends downed jet co-operation with Ukraine
 


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Over 100 US troops have now been diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries following the Iranian missile attack on the al Asad military base in Iraq.
The figure is a significant increase from the 64 injured service members previously reported by the Pentagon.

Donald Trump initially said no Americans were injured in the raid.
 

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Maybe it was reported initially to the top brass that nobody was seriously injured.
It took decades for the Irish army to go deaf.
 

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Maybe it was reported initially to the top brass that nobody was seriously injured.
It took decades for the Irish army to go deaf.
What ,you mean the first few minutes after the attack or a month later somebody decided to give a real figure .You would think the Commander in Chief would like to know how his soldiers are doing especially brian injured ones but then he said no one was injured the lying turd so why would he care .
 

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What ,you mean the first few minutes after the attack or a month later somebody decided to give a real figure .You would think the Commander in Chief would like to know how his soldiers are doing especially brian injured ones but then he said no one was injured the lying turd so why would he care .
No, I mean they were all in bunkers protected from the shrapnel etc when the missiles fell. When they came out they had headaches, but didn't realise until later there might be some permanent damage done to their brains.
 

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No, I mean they were all in bunkers protected from the shrapnel etc when the missiles fell. When they came out they had headaches, but didn't realise until later there might be some permanent damage done to their brains.
Ah yes that will explain the lack of clarity from the Top Brass in the Pentagon took them how long remind me again to clarify there was serious injuries when the lying Trump administration was saying there was none at all .
 

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Looks like it was all just another American misunderstanding but they got their guys and those guys would have done something sometime, everyone who needs to stay safe needs to understand that we are the good guys!!!


It now appears that the original death of the American contractor that sparked the tit-for-tat conflict was not carried out by Kata’ib Hezbollah at all. An Iraqi Army investigative team has gathered convincing evidence that it was an attack staged by Islamic State. In fact, the Iraqi government has demonstrated that Kata’ib Hezbollah has had no presence in Kirkuk province, where the attack took place, since 2014. It is a heavily Sunni area where Shi’a are not welcome and is instead relatively hospitable to all-Sunni IS. It was, in fact, one of the original breeding grounds for what was to become ISIS.
 

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Looks like it was all just another American misunderstanding but they got their guys and those guys would have done something sometime, everyone who needs to stay safe needs to understand that we are the good guys!!!


It now appears that the original death of the American contractor that sparked the tit-for-tat conflict was not carried out by Kata’ib Hezbollah at all. An Iraqi Army investigative team has gathered convincing evidence that it was an attack staged by Islamic State. In fact, the Iraqi government has demonstrated that Kata’ib Hezbollah has had no presence in Kirkuk province, where the attack took place, since 2014. It is a heavily Sunni area where Shi’a are not welcome and is instead relatively hospitable to all-Sunni IS. It was, in fact, one of the original breeding grounds for what was to become ISIS.
I wonder how widely this will be reported and discussed in mainstream media?
 

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We all remember when the murder of General Soleimani was supposed to be a deterrent.....cheered on and approved by many.
How wrong they were....the same aggressive acts of war will continue..as Trump and Pompeo go to church and spin their already discredited reasons.
The reaction from Iran will be interesting.
 

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I wonder how widely this will be reported and discussed in mainstream media?
The MSM usually focus on stories with credible sources. Does this have one? Anyway, regardless of whether that claim is true, it wouldn't alter the history Iran had of sponsoring terrorism and getting people murdered and of his pivotal role in that. That gruesome hyena had it coming and the world is a better place for his having been turned into smoldering burger meat. I genuinely don't understand people who whine about terrorists being removed.

Small correction: I can understand why crypto-communists and immature student-types like James Toney above whine, but not otherwise healthy people.
 

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Trump routinely uses the Iraq War decision, which he supported, to smear others who did the same. Now he himself using it as an excuse to go to war arbitrarily.
He is not going to war. You might want to edit your post.
 

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He is not going to war. You might want to edit your post.
Apparently there are rows happening in the administration. Trump does not want a war because it would be disastrous for his re election, but others such as Pompeo favor upping the ante against Iran.
 

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The MSM usually focus on stories with credible sources. Does this have one? Anyway, regardless of whether that claim is true, it wouldn't alter the history Iran had of sponsoring terrorism and getting people murdered and of his pivotal role in that. That gruesome hyena had it coming and the world is a better place for his having been turned into smoldering burger meat. I genuinely don't understand people who whine about terrorists being removed.

Small correction: I can understand why crypto-communists and immature student-types like James Toney above whine, but not otherwise healthy people.
Only a short while back the US military and Sulemani were coordinating closely in eliminating ISIS form Mosul. Then all of a sudden he's the biggest monster since Hitler. Why do you not question the chaos the US sows across the Islamic millieu?
 

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He is not going to war. You might want to edit your post.
The point being made is that "national self-defense" was used by Trump to justify the assassination of Soleimani, an act that could have led to open war, but did not on this occasion. However, it did up the ante, and two Americans have died since then, plus one UK solider, dozens of Iraqis have died, and many wounded of all nationalities.

"National self-defense" was also used by Bush and Cheney to justify the invasion of Iraq in the first place. An argument that we now know to be a lie.

It suggests to me that we can trust this Administration even less than Bush-Cheney.

I agree that Trump is probably against war instinctively - but his brinkmanship and reckless decisions have made it possible that war may be forced upon him, or it may break out by accident.

PS If Trump gets re-elected it will certainly remove one brake preventing him going to war.
 

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The point being made is that "national self-defense" was used by Trump to justify the assassination of Soleimani, an act that could have led to open war, but did not on this occasion. However, it did up the ante, and two Americans have died since then, plus one UK solider, dozens of Iraqis have died, and many wounded of all nationalities.

"National self-defense" was also used by Bush and Cheney to justify the invasion of Iraq in the first place. An argument that we now know to be a lie.

It suggests to me that we can trust this Administration even less than Bush-Cheney.

I agree that Trump is probably against war instinctively - but his brinkmanship and reckless decisions have made it possible that war may be forced upon him, or it may break out by accident.
It should be obvious by now. Trump and his administration are puppets on Netanyahu's strings.
 

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The MSM usually focus on stories with credible sources. Does this have one? Anyway, regardless of whether that claim is true, it wouldn't alter the history Iran had of sponsoring terrorism and getting people murdered and of his pivotal role in that. That gruesome hyena had it coming and the world is a better place for his having been turned into smoldering burger meat. I genuinely don't understand people who whine about terrorists being removed.

Small correction: I can understand why crypto-communists and immature student-types like James Toney above whine, but not otherwise healthy people.
Because that is the cartoon version being sold to idiots.

It's not what's actually happening, and it's always a mistake to swallow a comfortable lie. In this case, it's a lie that's more likely to increase terrorism in the west than reduce it.

Trump's financial/business connections with Soleimani are enough to make his current version of events highly dubious. Ditto his continued friendship with murderers like MBS or indeed Putin. Etc. Basically his version just doesn't stand up, and the extra judicial killing of members of a foreign government is a dangerous game to play anyway. When it's based on obvious lies, then it's folly.

No matter how revolting the person killed may have been.
 

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An unusually rubbish-strewn response from you. Let's work through it.
The point being made is that "national self-defense" was used by Trump to justify the assassination of Soleimani, an act that could have led to open war, but did not on this occasion.
Rubbish. There is and was zero prospect of Iran declaring war on the US. For the Iranians it would be tantamount to setting a 72 hour countdown timer to the end of their "Islamic Republic" regime. Even they are not as deranged as you in their thinking when it comes to Trump.

However, it did up the ante, and two Americans have died since then, plus one UK solider, dozens of Iraqis have died, and many wounded of all nationalities.
Rubbish. It did the opposite. It was a shot across the bow of the black winged ghouls of Tehran who, despite a lackluster token response rapidly pulled their heads in. And have kept them pulled in by and large.

"National self-defense" was also used by Bush and Cheney to justify the invasion of Iraq in the first place. An argument that we now know to be a lie.
"Someone once claimed they were acting in self-defence when the murdered someone, therefore claims of acting in self-defence are automatically invalid" Jesus. Wept.

It suggests to me that we can trust this Administration even less than Bush-Cheney.
Of course it does.

I agree that Trump is probably against war instinctively - but his brinkmanship and reckless decisions have made it possible that war may be forced upon him, or it may break out by accident.

PS If Trump gets re-elected it will certainly remove one brake preventing him going to war.
The first non-garbage section of your post. Trump instinctively knows something Obama did not. That there are people (and regimes) in the world who only understand one thing. And that is the threat of annihilation. I note your silence on Obama's pathetic and irrelevant posturing over Syria. In Trump's case, this knowledge doesn't work out well for him in negotiation with Europe or Canada, but it works great with regimes like China and Iran. An ill wind and all that.
 

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Because that is the cartoon version being sold to idiots.

It's not what's actually happening, and it's always a mistake to swallow a comfortable lie. In this case, it's a lie that's more likely to increase terrorism in the west than reduce it.

Trump's financial/business connections with Soleimani are enough to make his current version of events highly dubious. Ditto his continued friendship with murderers like MBS or indeed Putin. Etc. Basically his version just doesn't stand up, and the extra judicial killing of members of a foreign government is a dangerous game to play anyway. When it's based on obvious lies, then it's folly.

No matter how revolting the person killed may have been.
This is a bare-naked assertion entirely free of argument or evidence. Would you like to supply either?
 


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