US assassinates Iranian general in Iraq

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It should be obvious by now. Trump and his administration are puppets on Netanyahu's strings.
People like Clanrickard and Douglas Murrary as well as his fans admire Jews for their business ruthlessness however something that does not register is that for all of the absolute ruthlessness of a lot of these Jews in extracting their shekels for the Goy there is the often incredible generosity that these Big Jews have towards what they regard as "Jewish causes". Large amounts of ghettos used to actually survive on the generosity of sometimes just one Jewish wealthy in the Early Modern period. Israhell now is a ghetto that relies incredibly on the genersoity of Seppo Court Jews like Sheldon Adelson and others to keep the "bi-partisan support for Israel" sweet which I am sure takes vasts amount of money (their are similar "big donors" to the Democrats). You just cannot imagine the likes of Clanrickard or Douglas Murrary fans giving away huge slabs of their cash like these Jews do.
 


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This is a bare-naked assertion entirely free of argument or evidence. Would you like to supply either?
It's speculation about the future. What evidence do you expect for that? Assume there's an implied "IMO" there if you like. :sneaky:

I notice though that you've ignored my substantive point that we should be thoroughly suspicious of Trump's explanations for what is, after all, the extra judicial murder of a member of a sovereign government that is probably illegal under international law and is certainly tantamount to a declaration of war.

You may think it's wild speculation to expect a negative fallout from that for the rest of us, but it seems almost inevitable to me.
 

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That gruesome hyena had it coming and the world is a better place for his having been turned into smoldering burger meat.
It’s always the insecure hate filled little loons that use terminology like this ... normal decent people simply don’t talk like this

Only sad bitter insecure little creatures ... yuk
 

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An unusually rubbish-strewn response from you. Let's work through it.

Rubbish. There is and was zero prospect of Iran declaring war on the US. For the Iranians it would be tantamount to setting a 72 hour countdown timer to the end of their "Islamic Republic" regime. Even they are not as deranged as you in their thinking when it comes to Trump.


Rubbish. It did the opposite. It was a shot across the bow of the black winged ghouls of Tehran who, despite a lackluster token response rapidly pulled their heads in. And have kept them pulled in by and large.


"Someone once claimed they were acting in self-defence when the murdered someone, therefore claims of acting in self-defence are automatically invalid" Jesus. Wept.

Of course it does.


The first non-garbage section of your post. Trump instinctively knows something Obama did not. That there are people (and regimes) in the world who only understand one thing. And that is the threat of annihilation. I note your silence on Obama's pathetic and irrelevant posturing over Syria. In Trump's case, this knowledge doesn't work out well for him in negotiation with Europe or Canada, but it works great with regimes like China and Iran. An ill wind and all that.
Just cutting through the fog of gratuitous insults and red herrings, I will just make two points:
  • It is a simple logic chain:
    1. The last Republican Administration, that of Bush-Cheney, lied about Iraq
    2. This Administration have a tenuous relationship with truth
    3. Therefore, this Administration needs to try harder to convince the public. It hasn't, and it doesn't. All it does is just re-echo Bush on Iraq. They have yet to come up with a convincing reason for assassinating Soleimani, an act has has not ceased the slide into war.

When the administration shared its intelligence with select members of Congress, many of them came away unimpressed, if not outright disgusted. Rep. Gerry Connolly described the presentation as “sophomoric and utterly unconvincing.” Even Republican Senator Mike Lee, heretofore an unquestioning Trump supporter, called it the worst briefing, at least on a military issue, he’s seen in the “nine years [he’s] been here.”
  • About the "threat of annihilation", well Iran will certainly be familiar with it, because Israel already possesses nuclear submarines with nuclear missiles targeting Tehran. Since you say that is "the only thing they understand", then how come Iran has not given in already? And the US has its own deterrence umbrella. Even if the Mullahs are a despicable regime, maybe they are thinking in terms of deterrence and national defence? But they did already agree to give up nuclear ambitions in the JCPOA. And if regime change is now ruled out (as Trump says) why did he jettison the JCPOA in the first place?
 

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Because that is the cartoon version being sold to idiots.
Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 1: Whereas you know the real version. Am I right?

It's not what's actually happening
Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 2: OK. What is?

, and it's always a mistake to swallow a comfortable lie. In this case, it's a lie that's more likely to increase terrorism in the west than reduce it.
Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 3: It's a "comfortable lie."
Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 4: "this is more likely to increase terrorism"

Trump's financial/business connections with Soleimani are enough to make his current version of events highly dubious.
Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 5: Trump is financially connected to Iranian director of terror ops. Argument? Zero. Evidence? Zero.

Ditto his continued friendship with murderers like MBS or indeed Putin. Etc.
The Irish government maintain cordial relations with Saudi Arabia too. Is Varadkar MBS' friend too? Or is this conclusion only drawn when you don't like the figure in question?

Basically his version just doesn't stand up
Assertion without evidence or argument 6

and the extra judicial killing of members of a foreign government is a dangerous game to play anyway.
1. It wasn't an extrajudicial killing. It was a defensive strike on a leader of terror operations against US forces (had previously carried out an attack in Europe BTW) 2. A "member of a foreign government". No a military leader who was in a 3rd country actively coordinating further attacks on US forces (who have permission of the Iraqi people to be there).

When it's based on obvious lies, then it's folly.

No matter how revolting the person killed may have been.
I think it would be fair to say you have not made much headway in establishing it was based on lies.[/QUOTE]
 

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Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 1: Whereas you know the real version. Am I right?

Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 2: OK. What is?

Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 3: It's a "comfortable lie."
Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 4: "this is more likely to increase terrorism"

Assertion without evidence or supporting argument 5: Trump is financially connected to Iranian director of terror ops. Argument? Zero. Evidence? Zero.

I'm not trying to establish it to your satisfaction. The argument has been done to death and while we obviously don't have final proof yet, there's plenty of evidence.

I don't mind that you refuse to accept it. Indeed I'm entirely confident that history will prove you pretty much utterly misguided to continue to give Trump the benefit of the doubt in the way you do. And that's putting it kindly.

This reminds me very much of when I used to regularly have ding-dong stand up rows about Bloody Sunday with several English posters on a BBC website I used to frequent. Their firm belief was that Bloody Sunday was an unfortunate accident or even justifiable self defence. They were technically correct that I didn't have proof (this was before the Saville report came out). Happily for me the site was still in existence when Cameron made his apologies in Westminster, but it wouldn't have made much difference to me had it never been published- I would still have been right, despite not having any "proof". Well, not proof that would satisfy those posters anyway.

Similarly I'm certain that Trump will go down in history as much much closer to my description of him than to yours. But we shall have to wait.

The Irish government maintain cordial relations with Saudi Arabia too. Is Varadkar MBS' friend too? Or is this conclusion only drawn when you don't like the figure in question?

Assertion without evidence or argument 6

1. It wasn't an extrajudicial killing. It was a defensive strike on a leader of terror operations against US forces (had previously carried out an attack in Europe BTW) 2. A "member of a foreign government". No a military leader who was in a 3rd country actively coordinating further attacks on US forces (who have permission of the Iraqi people to be there).

I think it would be fair to say you have not made much headway in establishing it was based on lies.
As for Ireland and Saudi - I think most western countries, including Ireland, have an appalling record of tolerating Saudi evil doing and have said so on here more than once. I'm well aware of why that is of course.

But even so, Ireland is far less powerful in that regard than the US is. Ireland can literally do nothing to change the Saudis. The US can but chooses not to. Moreover, the Trump administration is even worse than previous US regimes in its active complicity with the worst excesses of the Saudis. I think that not even the Bush White House after 9/11 was as blatant.
 

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I'm not trying to establish it to your satisfaction. The argument has been done to death and while we obviously don't have final proof yet, there's plenty of evidence.
No indeed. You aren't trying to establish it at all. You're just claiming that things are a certain way. I think I counted a half a dozen assertions free of any supporting evidence or even argument. You know we can all do that right? It doesn't make for much in the way of debate though.

I don't mind that you refuse to accept it. Indeed I'm entirely confident that history will prove you pretty much utterly misguided to continue to give Trump the benefit of the doubt in the way you do. And that's putting it kindly.
I am not refusing to accept anything here. There was no argument being made by you to accept. It was just a string of assertions. I think Trump is an idiot genius. He's an idiot for the very obvious reasons we can all see and a genius for being able to command political support in spite of it. There's a wide and deep body of opinion that seems to operate on the basis that if you don't think Trump is Hitler you love him.

Similarly I'm certain that Trump will go down in history as much much closer to my description of him than to yours. But we shall have to wait.
We don't have to wait. Everyone's mind is already made up.

As for Ireland and Saudi - I think most western countries, including Ireland, have an appalling record of tolerating Saudi evil doing and have said so on here more than once. I'm well aware of why that is of course.
Agree. Ireland doesn't "do" foreign policy. We don't have one and we've given up pretending we do. FP in Ireland consists of discussion of how and when we will legislate for whatever decree is made by whichever supra-national body is the current subject of adoration in Kildare Street.

But even so, Ireland is far less powerful in that regard than the US is. Ireland can literally do nothing to change the Saudis. The US can but chooses not to. Moreover, the Trump administration is even worse than previous US regimes in its active complicity with the worst excesses of the Saudis. I think that not even the Bush White House after 9/11 was as blatant.
Actually, the Saudis hardly feature on the playing field these days. The only reason that family isn't pressured out of existence by the West is that a democratic alternative to them would be far worse.
 

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  • About the "threat of annihilation", well Iran will certainly be familiar with it, because Israel already possesses nuclear submarines with nuclear missiles targeting Tehran.
I think Israel’s German-made submarines that carry nuclear missiles are powered by diesel and AIP technology rather than a nuclear reactor. AIP seems to be emerging as a much cheaper alternative to nuclear power:

The 2,400 ton Dolphin 2 model is based on the state-of-the-artType 212 submarine, which features Air-Independent Propulsion technology and swim faster at twenty-five knots. While diesel submarines rely on noisy air-consuming diesel generators which require the submarine to regularly surface or snorkel, AIP-powered submarines can swim underwater very quietly at low speeds for weeks at a time.

This not only means they are stealthier sea-control platforms, but makes them more viable for lengthy nuclear deterrence patrols.

 
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No indeed. You aren't trying to establish it at all. You're just claiming that things are a certain way. I think I counted a half a dozen assertions free of any supporting evidence or even argument. You know we can all do that right? It doesn't make for much in the way of debate though.


I am not refusing to accept anything here. There was no argument being made by you to accept. It was just a string of assertions. I think Trump is an idiot genius. He's an idiot for the very obvious reasons we can all see and a genius for being able to command political support in spite of it. There's a wide and deep body of opinion that seems to operate on the basis that if you don't think Trump is Hitler you love him.


We don't have to wait. Everyone's mind is already made up.


Agree. Ireland doesn't "do" foreign policy. We don't have one and we've given up pretending we do. FP in Ireland consists of discussion of how and when we will legislate for whatever decree is made by whichever supra-national body is the current subject of adoration in Kildare Street.


Actually, the Saudis hardly feature on the playing field these days. The only reason that family isn't pressured out of existence by the West is that a democratic alternative to them would be far worse.
Here Kevin, sorry to go slightly off script but have you had your daily dose of domestos yet son ? :confused:

Is that why you love the orange turd so much ? .. He's got the best bleach, tremendous bleach :eek:😂😂😂

but seriously, even scarier than the fact that this idiot has the position he has is the fact that 40% of Americans think he's a bloody genius :eek:
 

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Here Kevin, sorry to go slightly off script but have you had your daily dose of domestos yet son ? :confused:

Is that why you love the orange turd so much ? .. He's got the best bleach, tremendous bleach :eek:😂😂😂

but seriously, even scarier than the fact that this idiot has the position he has is the fact that 40% of Americans think he's a bloody genius :eek:
You: X is 100% bad
Me: Actually, he's quite bad, but not 100% bad. You should probably examine those bits to understand why he has support.
You: YOU LOVE HIM. YOU THINK HE'S 100% GOOD! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gruesomely tiresome.
 

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You: X is 100% bad
Me: Actually, he's quite bad, but not 100% bad. You should probably examine those bits to understand why he has support.
You: YOU LOVE HIM. YOU THINK HE'S 100% GOOD! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gruesomely tiresome.
So have you had your daily dose of bleach or not ? :unsure: 😂

Poor ole USA with your beloved Trump the idiot at the helm ... deary me :rolleyes:
 

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Actually, the Saudis hardly feature on the playing field these days. The only reason that family isn't pressured out of existence by the West is that a democratic alternative to them would be far worse.
The democratic alternative would not be far worse at all for humanity at large and the Saudi masses, however it would be far worse for the Anglo-Jewish interests. Also hardly a feature on the playing field these days? LOL.....The old conservatism of the House of Saud has been replaced by Mohammed Bin Salman who is both ruthless and amoral. But yeah for Kevin because he is on the side of the Seppos and the Jews he must be fine reasonable chap.
 

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6 months later and the Iranians have still not handed over the Flight Data Recorder. In March they said that they would hand it over to the Ukrainians. However, they now have changed their minds ....saying that they will, eventually, hand it over to the french air accident investigation bureau(BEA). Furthermore, a few weeks after the shootdown, the Iranian authorities stated that several arrests had been made in relation to the shootdown, thereby giving the impression that those responsible for this massacre would be held to account. However, the only people that were arrested were those who posted footage of the shootdown on social media.

In April MP Hassan Norouzi, the spokesman for the Iranian parliament's legal and judicial committee, made the following statements ....

“The military forces carried out their duties well,” and that “The movement of the plane was very suspicious.”

“The plane was no longer under the control of the watchtower and appeared to have come under America’s control,”

“the plane was in Israel the week before and was tampered with.”

This is outrageous BS of the highest order.

Report: Iran Will Send Flight Recorders From Ukrainian Jet To Paris

Iranian MP: Iran military did well in downing Ukrainian plane
 

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6 months later and the Iranians have still not handed over the Flight Data Recorder. In March they said that they would hand it over to the Ukrainians. However, they now have changed their minds ....saying that they will, eventually, hand it over to the french air accident investigation bureau(BEA). Furthermore, a few weeks after the shootdown, the Iranian authorities stated that several arrests had been made in relation to the shootdown, thereby giving the impression that those responsible for this massacre would be held to account. However, the only people that were arrested were those who posted footage of the shootdown on social media.

In April MP Hassan Norouzi, the spokesman for the Iranian parliament's legal and judicial committee, made the following statements ....

“The military forces carried out their duties well,” and that “The movement of the plane was very suspicious.”

“The plane was no longer under the control of the watchtower and appeared to have come under America’s control,”

“the plane was in Israel the week before and was tampered with.”

This is outrageous BS of the highest order.

Report: Iran Will Send Flight Recorders From Ukrainian Jet To Paris

Iranian MP: Iran military did well in downing Ukrainian plane
Quelle surprise.
 

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Iran seems to be having a run of bad luck lately with their weapons facilities, this is the second or third mysterious fire/explosion in the last week or 2. I wonder if some mysterious country :unsure: is taking advantage of the fact that nobody cares at the moment.

 

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Iran is either having a terrible run of bad luck a their military facilities or their military capability is being targeted from outside


Explosions, power outages reported near Tehran
Al-Arabiya reported that the explosions occurred in missile depots belonging to the IRGC southwest of Tehran.
By TZVI JOFFRE
JULY 10, 2020 11:06
 


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