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US border crisis



owedtojoy

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Donald Trump wanted to dump asylum seekers on streets of Democratic cities

This is almost incredible, but it illustrates the complete failure of Trump as a Chief Executive.

Usually, when a President identifies a national problem, he drafts a plan or legislation, and seeks to gain a broad consensus for it.

Twice, Trump has spurned broad bipartisan plans to tackle immigration and the border, both times to placate a sliver of his base.

Trump sees the issue in terms of "looking strong" and punishing those who disagree with him. The "Wall" was ever only a device that drew cheers at his rallies. Now it has morphed into a fence and a National Emergency, neither of which solves the problem of families appearing at the border in large numbers.

Trump is a hopeless Chief Executive, a total failure as a President.
 

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Donald Trump wanted to dump asylum seekers on streets of Democratic cities

This is almost incredible, but it illustrates the complete failure of Trump as a Chief Executive.

Usually, when a President identifies a national problem, he drafts a plan or legislation, and seeks to gain a broad consensus for it.

Twice, Trump has spurned broad bipartisan plans to tackle immigration and the border, both times to placate a sliver of his base.

Trump sees the issue in terms of "looking strong" and punishing those who disagree with him. The "Wall" was ever only a device that drew cheers at his rallies. Now it has morphed into a fence and a National Emergency, neither of which solves the problem of families appearing at the border in large numbers.

Trump is a hopeless Chief Executive, a total failure as a President.
Trump doesn't want to solve these issues. He thrives in the chaos.

He knows he can't just 'dump' asylum seekers in so-called Democratic 'sanctuaries' because courts have banned NIMBY "banishment" and vindictive tactics like that.

It's part of his carnival barking sleeveen devices. For example , he would declare that he'll physically castrate all sex offenders. When opponents decry the illegality and/or courts enjoin his executive order, he'll then claim they're soft on sex offenders and endangering the public whilst claiming to be society's toughest protector being undermined by these people.

Rather than bite his bait, I often wish they'd learn to turn the tables.

For example, I'd laugh like hell if NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio tweeted in turn that he'll assign MS-13, drug dealer and rapist prisoners to do the public service duties regarding Trump Tower and exercise eminent domain (compulsory purchase) to take over two units to set up a parole office and methadone clinic.

Of course, like Trump's BS, he couldn't do that but it's a mock rebuke to a man who can dish it but can't take it.
 
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Donald Trump wanted to dump asylum seekers on streets of Democratic cities

This is almost incredible, but it illustrates the complete failure of Trump as a Chief Executive.

Usually, when a President identifies a national problem, he drafts a plan or legislation, and seeks to gain a broad consensus for it.

Twice, Trump has spurned broad bipartisan plans to tackle immigration and the border, both times to placate a sliver of his base.

Trump sees the issue in terms of "looking strong" and punishing those who disagree with him. The "Wall" was ever only a device that drew cheers at his rallies. Now it has morphed into a fence and a National Emergency, neither of which solves the problem of families appearing at the border in large numbers.

Trump is a hopeless Chief Executive, a total failure as a President.

This is hilarious.

For all of idiot Trump's big talk about immigrants, he was actually considering letting asylum seekers into the US (something that he claims to oppose) so long as they could be dumped in Democrat controlled areas?

There is no alleged principle that Trump will break in his obsessive desire to have a go at his political enemies.

The man is a joke and a failure.
 

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Those figures are already outdated. It was 120,000 last month.


However on the growing trend towards family units coming in - they do that because they know the govt is less likely prosecute the parents of accompanied minors as the Flores Decree would force them to separate the children as they can't be detained for more than 24 days.
 

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This is hilarious.

For all of idiot Trump's big talk about immigrants, he was actually considering letting asylum seekers into the US (something that he claims to oppose) so long as they could be dumped in Democrat controlled areas?

There is no alleged principle that Trump will break in his obsessive desire to have a go at his political enemies.

The man is a joke and a failure.
Obviously he can't legally do that anyway...it's just another posturing move.

IMO, the 'sanctuary' areas would do better by parody trolling him in turn. For example, thank him for a ready supply of new voters to be registered immediately since he BSes about that anyway. Further, tell him that his place looks like a nice spot to settle them around in a campsite, e.g.,
Maybe also plant around it some 'Section 8' housing (public housing for the poor and often minorities he hates), the local parole offices, methadone clinics, local prisons, waste treatment, mulch deposits and landfills, chemicals and other NIMBYs. Maybe use some eminent domain (compulsory purchase) for some space in Trump Tower too for that, etc. After all, he undervalues all his properties for tax purposes, so let him be inconsistent when the locals take it on the cheap and he yelps about its true value so his tax filings become an issue, etc.
 
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Jake Tapper of CNN just said 1 million illegal immigrants are expected to come to the US this year. Mentioned a DHS facility for 115 people where 900 are housed.
 

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Trump's immigration policy has been a total ****-up, a crisis that is mostly self-created.

But just wait for the "Obama is to blame" mantra

Immigration policy fail, Iran policy fail, North Korea policy fail, Tax policy fail, Healthcare policy fail, total chaos and incompetence from top to bottom in the Administration.
 
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Trump's immigration policy has been a token ****-up, a crisis that is mostly self-created.

But just wait for the "Obama is to blame" mantra

Immigration policy fail, Iran policy fail, North Korea policy fail, Tax policy fail, Healthcare policy fail, total chaos and incompetence from top to bottom in the Administration.
They don't care what he does, or more likely doesn't do on here. This fart has done nothing but tweet, be investigated, and claim he is innocent.

They don't live in the US, they don't live anywhere, except on the internet, which is full of sinkholes and spurious shit.
 

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Jake Tapper of CNN just said 1 million illegal immigrants are expected to come to the US this year. Mentioned a DHS facility for 115 people where 900 are housed.
While that other CNN plank Jim Acosta was down at the border a couple of weeks ago telling anyone dunb enough to listen that there was no crisis
 

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Breaking: SCOTUS has refused Trump admins request for an fast-tracked hearing on their appeal against the 9th Circuit ruling that reinstated DACA.
 

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The US should adopt the Irish system where anyone who turns up and claims asylum will generally spend many years here being processed, free accommodation, medical and education and then will probably manage to stay even after their application has been rejected because there were no grounds for it, or they provided false information on arrival. Even dole out passports to anyone who manages to stay,, why not, or perhaps adopt an Australian type of immigration policy ..

As for Trump being a clown incompetent etc, Yes he may be and I think it si sad that the US had only Trump and Hilary to chose from but well be unlike many of his predecessors, he has not started any wars , he has had direct contacts with rocket man , who had no respect for previous administrations, and is addressing China who have been playing a game that will eventually lead to conflict in the pacific. ..
 

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The US should adopt the Irish system where anyone who turns up and claims asylum will generally spend many years here being processed, free accommodation, medical and education and then will probably manage to stay even after their application has been rejected because there were no grounds for it, or they provided false information on arrival. Even dole out passports to anyone who manages to stay,, why not, or perhaps adopt an Australian type of immigration policy ..
I understand and concur to a degree regarding Ireland's situation.

There's few direct flights from 'high risk' asylum nations and under the EU's Dublin Regulation asylum claimants are supposed to file in the first 'safe place' they arrive for processing. In short, asylum claimants filing directly in Ireland are almost always presumptively bogus and/or engaging in 'forum shopping'. Ireland also plays little to no role in how the asylum claimants came to be.

The US isn't similarly situated and without clean hands.

First, the bulk of its current asylum claimants are Central American, and the US has unclean hands in how it's behaved in there with government meddling and corrupt and predatory 'soft empire' business practices. An even bigger issue is the US demand for narcotics that's turned them into production hubs and land corridors for drug trafficking. Genuine asylum seekers are fleeing the ill effects of that, and Mexico isn't a safe harbour for asylum claimants them for similar reasons.

Second, the US isn't designed in policies or culture--not should it be--for sitting on your arse collecting dole as a lifestyle choice. There's better places to go or stay for that. My experiences with Mexicans and Central Americans in the US is like the Poles and Baltic people in Ireland...namely a few bad apples exist as expected with any group but they're mostly good people and good workers and often do jobs that local citizens won't do or do as well.

Third, the US actually needs these immigrants and more and, unfortunately, labour exploitation is as old as the nation. Indentured servants and slaves were no accident. Nor were the Robber Baron Social Darwinist anti-labour laws and deregulations of the Industrial Revolution against immigrants. However, as each group got free and/or strong enough with voting and organising power, a new way had to be found for cheap exploitable labour.

'Closed legal/open illegal' has been its answer. Undocumented immigrants can't vote, unionise, complain about their working rights under the law, etc. It's 'take it or leave it' for them. It's why even Trump regularly hires and exploits undocumented immigrants and is under several criminal investigations for it as we speak.
 

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A summary of the border situation:


It is apparent that the needs of migrants in custody have overwhelmed DHS capacity.
The core of the problem is families with children to which there are obligations that cannot be solved simply by pushing them back into Mexico. "Queue management" at the border (a slowdown) forces desperate people to pay smuggler to help them enter illegally.

A joint Mexico-US approach could certainly be worked out. The two countries could together address the crisis in the "Iron Triangle" countries (Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador), though it seems El Salvador has had some success in curbing migration.

It is not clear if Trump's economic sanctions threats are of any use.
 

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when all the migrants from mexico and elsewhere fill up the united states and eventually turn the usa into the same as it is in their own country where will they have to migrate then.when the irish had to emmigrate it was the way the country was run that was mostly at fault and the same is true for mexico let them sort out their own country first but why bother when they can dump their rubbish into the usa encouraged by a corrupt democratic party and the foolish americans that will regret the day that they didnt support trump but by then it will be too late when 9 out of 10 people are out and out junkies.
 

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Trump has just tweeted that a deal has been reached with Mexico to control illegal immigration.
 


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