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US border crisis

Dame_Enda

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CNN has just reported that border patrol has reported more arrests in May than at any time for the past 13 years.
 


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So Donald Trumps policy as regards tariffs on Mexica has worked, The Mexican Govt. have agreed to tighten controls. Amazing that a man who may be considered as a buffoon and warmonger by some and even worse by the likes of Fintan O Toole etc has not started a war like his predecessors, and has led new and innovative efforts at dialogue with the likes of Nth Korea, China etc. Are the media missing something?
 

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So Donald Trumps policy as regards tariffs on Mexica has worked, The Mexican Govt. have agreed to tighten controls. Amazing that a man who may be considered as a buffoon and warmonger by some and even worse by the likes of Fintan O Toole etc has not started a war like his predecessors, and has led new and innovative efforts at dialogue with the likes of Nth Korea, China etc. Are the media missing something?
The Mexican Government can agree to a lot of things - we have yet to see how effective the measures are.

From what can be gleaned from the Agreement, there is nothing in it that could not have been obtained without Trump's bombastic threats. Mexico is deploying troops and cracking down on gangs - measures which it would probably have done anyway.

Meanwhile, he has proved to the world he is not to be trusted. More than that, he has showed American business people he is willing to take high and unacceptable risks with their livelihoods.

(By the way, the Chinese show no sign of coming to deal on Trade, and Kim Jong-Un is off the reservation on nuclear arms, so there is nothing in relationships with those countries to be talked up for Trump)
 

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The Mexican Government can agree to a lot of things - we have yet to see how effective the measures are.

From what can be gleaned from the Agreement, there is nothing in it that could not have been obtained without Trump's bombastic threats. Mexico is deploying troops and cracking down on gangs - measures which it would probably have done anyway.

Meanwhile, he has proved to the world he is not to be trusted. More than that, he has showed American business people he is willing to take high and unacceptable risks with their livelihoods.

(By the way, the Chinese show no sign of coming to deal on Trade, and Kim Jong-Un is off the reservation on nuclear arms, so there is nothing in relationships with those countries to be talked up for Trump)
kim jong un is not firing any more rockets and the us is getting the better of china on trade because no matter which way the deal goes it cant be any worse than the previous deal how much different could things be if trump was dealing with the e.u for us during the crash instead of the puppets we had.
 

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As suspected ....


Trump usual modus operandi
  1. Creates fake crisis or rage-tweets about one
  2. A "solution" is cobbled together, which may or may nor be real or fake.
  3. Trump claims solution due to him alone
  4. Soft-pedals the problem as there is nothing more in it for him
 

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BBC said:
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California is poised to become the first US state to offer government-provided healthcare to some immigrants who are in the country illegally.

State Democrats agreed on Sunday that adults between the ages of 19 to 25 should have access to Medi-Cal, the state's low-income insurance programme.

The measure must still be approved by the full legislature and be signed by the state's Democratic governor.

The $98m (£77m) plan aims to provide coverage to 100,000 people.

To help pay for the plan, which is part of the latest state budget, lawmakers have proposed taxing people who do not have health insurance.

The penalty is similar to the so-called "individual mandate" which had been federal law after the passage of the Affordable Healthcare Act, also known as Obamacare, until Republicans in Congress eliminated it in 2017.


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Trump climbed down for Senate Republicans and touted it as a "deal" with Mexico.


So he's lashing out for more tariffs.


No Mexican official has confirmed Trump's claim that Mexico will buy more US agricultural produce.
 

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The numbers did drop in 2018 and stayed below Obama levels until maybe mid 2018. I think the numbers soared again when it became clear Trump was getting nowhere with his Wall until the national emergency (and the courts are frustrating it in places), and when he backed down on family separation. The truth is that the Flores Decree gives the government a choice between not prosecuting the illegals, or splitting them up if you do prosecute them. That is Clinton's fault for agreeing to it in 1996.
 

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The numbers did drop in 2018 and stayed below Obama levels until maybe mid 2018. I think the numbers soared again when it became clear Trump was getting nowhere with his Wall until the national emergency (and the courts are frustrating it in places), and when he backed down on family separation. The truth is that the Flores Decree gives the government a choice between not prosecuting the illegals, or splitting them up if you do prosecute them. That is Clinton's fault for agreeing to it in 1996.
It's everyone else's fault.

When will this useless lump step up and take responsibility? He told people they would be "tired of winning" and it was all going to be a glory-hunt. Now, he can't take any criticism except to whine and run for cover.

America still sells guns to the Guatemalan and Honduran drug gangs who are behind the migration, and still buys the drugs they peddle. I wonder how much cocaine is snorted at Mar-a-Lago every week? And how many women and cheap labour are working in brothels and farms for Trump's donors?

America owns part of the reason for the emigration, which began with the narco-terrorism the US supported in the 1980s. Trump might have been better advised to increase aid to the region, not cut it off.
 
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It's everyone else's fault.

When will this useless lump step up and take responsibility? He told people they would be "tired of winning" and it was all going to be a glory-hunt. Now, he can't take any criticism except to whine and run for cover.

America still sells guns to the Guatemalan and Honduran drug gangs who are behind the migration, and still buys the drugs they peddle. I wonder how much cocaine is snorted at Mar-a-Lago every week? And how many women and cheap labour are working in brothels and farms for Trump's donors?

America owns part of the reason for the emigration, which began with the narco-terrorism the US supported in the 1980s. Trump might have been better advised to increase aid to the region, not cut it off.
I agree with some of your sentiments . The USA as the superpower intervened in many of the countries south of them. It was partly because of the global cold war between communism and the "West: and they considered South America as their backyard.

The scale of the USA economy and its appetite for drugs , cheap labour serves as a magnet . It has to tackle all of these, have proper labour regulations, bring in some sort of Sharia type law for drugs and tackle the entire drug gangsta culture. Not likely that it will ever happen until some form of “Hitler” type figure emerges, That will be a disaster.

However spending more aid will do nothing to help South America. Aid whether it is sent to South America, Africa or wherever does not work and perpetuates poor governance, lack of transparency and dependency.

One only has to look at the amount of aid that has been spent in Africa ( 800m Euro a year by Ireland) to see that it has no impact on illegal migration to Europe.
 

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I agree with some of your sentiments . The USA as the superpower intervened in many of the countries south of them. It was partly because of the global cold war between communism and the "West: and they considered South America as their backyard.

The scale of the USA economy and its appetite for drugs , cheap labour serves as a magnet . It has to tackle all of these, have proper labour regulations, bring in some sort of Sharia type law for drugs and tackle the entire drug gangsta culture. Not likely that it will ever happen until some form of “Hitler” type figure emerges, That will be a disaster.

However spending more aid will do nothing to help South America. Aid whether it is sent to South America, Africa or wherever does not work and perpetuates poor governance, lack of transparency and dependency.

One only has to look at the amount of aid that has been spent in Africa ( 800m Euro a year by Ireland) to see that it has no impact on illegal migration to Europe.
The main source of these migrants is not South America - it is three Central American countries - El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. It is not a coincidence that the US Government supported repressive states with death squads and military regimes in these countries in the 1980s, and they have since become prey to drug lords.

PS Targeted aid to El Salvador did show results, but the Trump regime has just thrown all that overboard.

 

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The main source of these migrants is not South America - it is three Central American countries - El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. It is not a coincidence that the US Government supported repressive states with death squads and military regimes in these countries in the 1980s, and they have since become prey to drug lords.

PS Targeted aid to El Salvador did show results, but the Trump regime has just thrown all that overboard.

Correct. Trump did not cut blank cheque handouts. The aid was earmarked for funding American church missionary groups that address the anti crime poverty aspects and law enforcement groups and officials that challenge the narcos and local corruption.

In short, it's demagoguery at its worst once again.

Insofar as policy, it's an extremely stupid move and constitutionally dubious regarding funding powers that the lawless Trump pays no heed.

That said, it's clickbait for the bigots in his cult base that he has plunged with his demagoguery.

The move suggests that Trump cut the aid because he wants the Central American problem to fester because the resulting crime and border issues have been extremely useful for his demagogic rise to power and maintaining it with his cultish base.

Trump has also been a notorious undocumented labour exploiter in his domestic businesses even whilst in office, and that serf subclass serves other Robber Baron Social Darwinists that prop him up for collective exploitation.

In short, Trump doesn't want to solve problems for other people. He sees the advantages in them to exploit for his own ends.
 
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