US-China - "China doing everything it can to be 'sole superpower'"

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Stark warnings from the FBI about the "malign" activities of China in its fight for global dominance.

Americans were victims of massive property and intellectual theft from China
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Of the nearly 5,000 active FBI counterintelligence cases currently underway across the country, almost half are all related to China
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China is pressuring academics, journalists, as well as American media and sporting giants into suppressing criticism of the country
There's a lot of political and media reference to the 'new Cold War'. However, the Washington Post argues against comparison with the old Cold War vs the Soviet Union. Massive US-China economic integration vs virtually none with USSR. No geographically distinct blocs a la Iron Curtain. No "with us or against us" alliances - countries are determining how they work with the US and China on an issue-by-issue basis. No proxy wars - yet.

In other words it's an even more complex and ever-changing situation than existed in the old Cold War and the winner will be the country with sophisticated leadership that can intricately manage multi-level relationships and thousands of initiatives cohesively from high diplomacy to espionage skulduggery. You'd have backed the US to be that leader in the 90s, but now....
 


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Historically if you don't take concrete actions to be the sole super power you get mushed. The underlying message from the US is pretty much "Uh WE'D like to be the sole super power thanks".
 

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Of course from our/the European perspective we don't want an either/or decision on who is the superpower, we'd like everyone to behave themselves according to multi-laterally agreed conventions. It's just galling to see that the most powerful country paying at least lip service to international institutions is authoritarian China.
 

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Give me a break

Concentration camps, forced sterilisations, Covid, both causing & covering up, hong kong etc etc etc etc
Oh absolutely. There is zero to support a position that the world would be better off if China was in a stronger position than it is. Lots to suggest it wouldn't.
 

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Oh absolutely. There is zero to support a position that the world would be better off if China was in a stronger position than it is. Lots to suggest it wouldn't.
True, the constant criticism of the US - obviously at fever pitch at the moment with Trump - puzzles me when you consider that no-one ever gets heated about china, you never see a mass march through Dublin against the chinese
 

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Stark warnings from the FBI about the "malign" activities of China in its fight for global dominance.



There's a lot of political and media reference to the 'new Cold War'. However, the Washington Post argues against comparison with the old Cold War vs the Soviet Union. Massive US-China economic integration vs virtually none with USSR. No geographically distinct blocs a la Iron Curtain. No "with us or against us" alliances - countries are determining how they work with the US and China on an issue-by-issue basis. No proxy wars - yet.

In other words it's an even more complex and ever-changing situation than existed in the old Cold War and the winner will be the country with sophisticated leadership that can intricately manage multi-level relationships and thousands of initiatives cohesively from high diplomacy to espionage skulduggery. You'd have backed the US to be that leader in the 90s, but now....
Indeed. And the world has been very well served by the super power dominance of the US.
 

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Give me a break

Concentration camps, forced sterilisations, Covid, both causing & covering up, hong kong etc etc etc etc
Exactly - and it's the US retreat from multilateralism that is enabling China to increase its international influence while papering over the above issues which could have excluded them in the past. The threat of "losing face" over human rights criticism was a real concern of China's previously, but they don't seem to care that much anymore because they are in a stronger position now.
 

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I doubt the Chinese will be any worse than the Seppos, and in fact I suspect they might be a lot better.

The United States is eating itself alive right now.
 

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Stark warnings from the FBI about the "malign" activities of China in its fight for global dominance.



There's a lot of political and media reference to the 'new Cold War'. However, the Washington Post argues against comparison with the old Cold War vs the Soviet Union. Massive US-China economic integration vs virtually none with USSR. No geographically distinct blocs a la Iron Curtain. No "with us or against us" alliances - countries are determining how they work with the US and China on an issue-by-issue basis. No proxy wars - yet.

In other words it's an even more complex and ever-changing situation than existed in the old Cold War and the winner will be the country with sophisticated leadership that can intricately manage multi-level relationships and thousands of initiatives cohesively from high diplomacy to espionage skulduggery. You'd have backed the US to be that leader in the 90s, but now....

Speaking of the Washington Post it’s owner Mr Jeff Bezos has just mandated that any Amazon employees with TikTok on their smartphone will not be allowed to access their Company email account.
 

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What's the point of the OP? No superpower ever achieved dominance by doing anything else other than what China is doing. The US hegemony wasn't any prettier, it certainly wasn't any more ethical.
 

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Americans were victims of massive property and intellectual theft from China
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Of the nearly 5,000 active FBI counterintelligence cases currently underway across the country, almost half are all related to China
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China is pressuring academics, journalists, as well as American media and sporting giants into suppressing criticism of the country
Given that the US is built on massive theft - theft of half a continent, massacres and wars - this is a bit of a joke.
There's a lot of political and media reference to the 'new Cold War'. However, the Washington Post argues against comparison with the old Cold War vs the Soviet Union. Massive US-China economic integration vs virtually none with USSR. No geographically distinct blocs a la Iron Curtain. No "with us or against us" alliances - countries are determining how they work with the US and China on an issue-by-issue basis. No proxy wars - yet.

In other words it's an even more complex and ever-changing situation than existed in the old Cold War and the winner will be the country with sophisticated leadership that can intricately manage multi-level relationships and thousands of initiatives cohesively from high diplomacy to espionage skulduggery. You'd have backed the US to be that leader in the 90s, but now....
The US still has military hegemony, but no longer has the sort of economy necessary to exercise it. What we're looking at now is the shouting.
Give me a break

Concentration camps, forced sterilisations, Covid, both causing & covering up, hong kong etc etc etc etc
Genocides, concentration camps, AIDS, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam, Guantanamo, dying democracy & growing fascism. You name it, if it's bad the US has done it.
 

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True, the constant criticism of the US - obviously at fever pitch at the moment with Trump - puzzles me when you consider that no-one ever gets heated about china, you never see a mass march through Dublin against the chinese
I guess we know China is not a good place, we don't expect them to be good it is not a democracy, so it is a given the place is a sh!thole for human rights abuses, and China afaik doesn't pretend to be about freedom and democracy so we have higher expectations of the US.
 

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I guess we know China is not a good place, we don't expect them to be good it is not a democracy, so it is a given the place is a sh!thole for human rights abuses, and China afaik doesn't pretend to be about freedom and democracy so we have higher expectations of the US.
Strategically they are hemmed in and unable to feed themselves. It's a great place to do business, but don't invest in it.
 

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I guess we know China is not a good place, we don't expect them to be good it is not a democracy, so it is a given the place is a sh!thole for human rights abuses, and China afaik doesn't pretend to be about freedom and democracy so we have higher expectations of the US.
Yeah Lets ignore the country with the actual concentration camps & focus on Trump

Its unfair to expect the same level of human rights with those people right ? Obviously not a racist viewpoint at all

As long as you 'don't pretend to be about freedom and democracy' you can do whatever.

Absolutely insane viewpoint
 

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Yeah Lets ignore the country with the actual concentration camps & focus on Trump

Its unfair to expect the same level of human rights with those people right ? Obviously not a racist viewpoint at all

As long as you 'don't pretend to be about freedom and democracy' you can do whatever.

Absolutely insane viewpoint
I see that the US heads the league table for number of prisoners, and for prisoners per million population.
I firmly believe that the US prison population, preferentially black and latino, are locked up for use as cheap labour. In other words, slaverly by another name.
 

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Providing there is no major war, China should continue to do well.

They have a huge, largely homogeneous, high IQ population
 

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I don't get the OP at all. Shock horror that one of the permanent UN security council members would quite like to dominate world affairs as the most powerful superpower.

How is that ambition any different to the ambitions of the other three permanent UN security council members? And they are as equally ruthless in that pursuit as each other.

You'd have to be horribly naive to assume anything else.
 

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They caused COVID. Either as a feck up in their labs or by their savage diets of eating disgusting animals.

Why aren't those PETA hippies calling for a Chinese boycott?

When will we get reparations off them?
 


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