US Electoral Reform is required

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1. Electoral College
Everyone knows that HRC lost the POTUS election even though she won 3 million actual votes more than Don "Capone" Trump. This is because of the Electoral College system which, inter alia, was created to allow for slave states which did not have enough free men to have an "equal" footing with the non-slave states. Nowadays the electroal college is undemocratic.

Here is a very interesting article from Scientific American about the Electorial College. It was published on 24 August 2016 and imho it is remarkably prescient, naming three states which Trump would need to win, and he did - Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida - for the electoral college to work for him.

The Funky Math of the Electoral College

Everyone knows it's a weird way to elect presidents—but it's even crazier than you think

2. Gerrymandering
Gerrymandering is a constant problem in the USA and is also undemocratic. At the moment more states are gerrymandered by the GOP, but in the past Democrats have done much gerrymandering too. The SCOTUS is currently looking at one case. IMHO there should be an independent body to set electoral boundaries rather than the state legislatures.

3. Victory by illegal means
Another problem is election by illegal means. It is becoming increasingly clear that Don "Capone" Trump was helped to victory by foreign countries' interference (particularly, but perhaps not only, by Russia) and by the constant production of fake news by Russia and other interested parties within the USA.

The USA has no mechanism to declare an election null and void and to have another election. There should be legislation to allow this, maybe even an amendment to the Constitution.

It is galling that the GOP (or other dominant party) gets to decide everything regarding the position of the GOP POTUS and his succession when he obtained the job illegally.

4. Getting rid of a POTUS
The president can be removed by impeachment and also by amendment 25 of the Constitution if the POTUS is considered to be too disabled to continue working. However, these means are seriously hampered for political reasons. An impeachment must be passed by the House and the Senate and if the dominant party is the same as the POTUS's (currently the GOP) it would be unwilling to proceed with the process. Amendment 25 requires that a majority of the President's cabinet agree that he is too disabled and since the Cabinet is comprised of Don "Capone" Trump's Yes men and women...

There are likely other areas of the US Electoral system which need reform too, perhaps someone with more knowledge than I have can raise them on this thread?
 


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The bar to change the US constitution is too high for any realistic prospect of success even it it was anything more than a reaction to Trump's win. A more realistic prospect would be for the parties to reform themselves so that better candidates have a chance of emerging.
 

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The bar to change the US constitution is too high for any realistic prospect of success even it it was anything more than a reaction to Trump's win. A more realistic prospect would be for the parties to reform themselves so that better candidates have a chance of emerging.
That won't solve the problems though and I realise that it will be very difficult to change the current setup. Maybe Mueller will have some ideas in his report.
 

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The creation of PACs and the Citizens United SC ruling paralyse the legislative and Constitutional amendment process too much for this to work.

The new Netflix documentary "Get me Roger Stone" shows his role in starting the trend towards PACs.
 
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1. Electoral College
Everyone knows that HRC lost the POTUS election even though she won 3 million actual votes more than Don "Capone" Trump. This is because of the Electoral College system which, inter alia, was created to allow for slave states which did not have enough free men to have an "equal" footing with the non-slave states. Nowadays the electroal college is undemocratic.

Here is a very interesting article from Scientific American about the Electorial College. It was published on 24 August 2016 and imho it is remarkably prescient, naming three states which Trump would need to win, and he did - Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida - for the electoral college to work for him.

The Funky Math of the Electoral College

Everyone knows it's a weird way to elect presidents—but it's even crazier than you think

2. Gerrymandering
Gerrymandering is a constant problem in the USA and is also undemocratic. At the moment more states are gerrymandered by the GOP, but in the past Democrats have done much gerrymandering too. The SCOTUS is currently looking at one case. IMHO there should be an independent body to set electoral boundaries rather than the state legislatures.

3. Victory by illegal means
Another problem is election by illegal means. It is becoming increasingly clear that Don "Capone" Trump was helped to victory by foreign countries' interference (particularly, but perhaps not only, by Russia) and by the constant production of fake news by Russia and other interested parties within the USA.

The USA has no mechanism to declare an election null and void and to have another election. There should be legislation to allow this, maybe even an amendment to the Constitution.

It is galling that the GOP (or other dominant party) gets to decide everything regarding the position of the GOP POTUS and his succession when he obtained the job illegally.

4. Getting rid of a POTUS
The president can be removed by impeachment and also by amendment 25 of the Constitution if the POTUS is considered to be too disabled to continue working. However, these means are seriously hampered for political reasons. An impeachment must be passed by the House and the Senate and if the dominant party is the same as the POTUS's (currently the GOP) it would be unwilling to proceed with the process. Amendment 25 requires that a majority of the President's cabinet agree that he is too disabled and since the Cabinet is comprised of Don "Capone" Trump's Yes men and women...

There are likely other areas of the US Electoral system which need reform too, perhaps someone with more knowledge than I have can raise them on this thread?
First they need to complete an enquiry into voter fraud.

An enquiry that the Democrat party in California is trying to prevent...

"Waaaaaaaa! It was myyyyy turn!!!!!!!!"
 

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Yawn. Trump won. Get over it.
 

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The only change they should make is take away a lot of the electoral college votes from places like California which are full of stoned wacko's and weirdo's.
 

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The only change they should make is take away a lot of the electoral college votes from places like California which are full of stoned wacko's and weirdo's.
You don't know about the drug problems in the rust belt?
 

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It might very well need to be reformed.

But not because it is an unfair system, it was just as unfair on the eve of the November 2000 election and if this current system had put Obama in the White House at the expense of McCain it wouldn't be as much of a problem. It now needs reformed because Clinton didn't win.

The same people that now want electoral reform, as of November 2016, are normally the same people who just remembered that they don't like drone strikes after eight years.
 

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It might very well need to be reformed.

But not because it is an unfair system, it was just as unfair on the eve of the November 2000 election and if this current system had put Obama in the White House at the expense of McCain it wouldn't be as much of a problem. It now needs reformed because Clinton didn't win.

The same people that now want electoral reform, as of November 2016, are normally the same people who just remembered that they don't like drone strikes after eight years.
Nope. I was referring to both parties. There needs to be reform in spite of the politics.
 

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Pence would be much worse than Trump for LGBT issues. Dems should be careful what they wish for.
I don't think the next in line, Ryan, will be any help either. And the GOP holds all the cards of succession because of the electoral system
 

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5. Dead people voting.

6. Machines owned by a gangster billionaire, voting for the candidate owned by a gangster billionaire ( looking at you Georgey Porgey ).
 

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I don't think the next in line, Ryan, will be any help either. And the GOP holds all the cards of succession because of the electoral system
Impeachment after the midterms would make more sense. If Pence was impeached and removed too (unlikely they gave nothing on him), and Nancy Pelosi becomes House Speaker, then she becomes president.
 

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Can I just point out that there is an ongoing legal discussion about whether the Speaker of the House is actually third in line? It would seem to be the best solution politically to have the Speaker be third in line, but it might actually be unconstitutional.
 

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8. The death of Seth Rich needs a proper functional investigation.

9. The Clinton Foundation and Denis the Menace. And Bertie, as well.
 

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The US is unfixable by constitutional means. They are facing decades of decline followed by coup and military rule.
 

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Can I just point out that there is an ongoing legal discussion about whether the Speaker of the House is actually third in line? It would seem to be the best solution politically to have the Speaker be third in line, but it might actually be unconstitutional.
Not a very strong case against it.

Wikipedia said:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 makes the Vice President first in the line of succession and allows the Congress to provide by law for cases in which neither the President nor Vice President can serve. The current such law governing succession is the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. § 19).
 

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If it was Hillary that got elected to the white house, would this even be a discussion, i doubt it somehow.
 


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