US gun-control law and unlicenced gun sellers.

davidcameron

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The following Newsweek article was published last February.

Trump Overturns a Mental Health Regulation on Gun Purchases

Federal law requires licensed firearms dealers to perform background checks on prospective purchasers and to maintain records of the sales. But unlicensed private sellers—on the internet and at gun shows, for example—are not required to observe the same policies. Most groups and advocates who favor stronger gun laws are pushing to strengthen the federal background checks system.
If these gun-sellers don't have a licence for selling firearms then how is it legal for them to sell firearms in the first place?
 


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It's ideology that's driving this
 

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The FBI were warned and the killer in Florida was on meds. If it weren't for liberal judges he would have been locked up before the shooting.

The politically 'correct' Dems are happy to keep extreme loonies walking the streets and on an endless diet of drugs (the US has a mental health problem, not a gun problem).
 

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The FBI were warned and the killer in Florida was on meds. If it weren't for liberal judges he would have been locked up before the shooting.

The politically 'correct' Dems are happy to keep extreme loonies walking the streets and on an endless diet of drugs (the US has a mental health problem, not a gun problem).
What meds precisely?
 

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The FBI were warned and the killer in Florida was on meds. If it weren't for liberal judges he would have been locked up before the shooting.

The politically 'correct' Dems are happy to keep extreme loonies walking the streets and on an endless diet of drugs (the US has a mental health problem, not a gun problem).
Total BS.

No decent society simply padlocks away people with mental illnesses no manner the seriousness, ability to mitigate, and personal circumstances. If, however, someone is shown to be particularly vulnerable where their disabilities can't be mitigated and they can't otherwise be privately cared for, or prove to be dangerously unstable that cannot be reasonably controlled, etc, then there are legal methods to place them humanely somewhere.

Here's the true problem, e.g.,
Trump's one piece of gun-related legislation undid restrictions aimed at mental illness - CNN
 

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Total BS.

No decent society simply padlocks away people with mental illnesses no manner the seriousness, ability to mitigate, and personal circumstances. If, however, someone is shown to be particularly vulnerable where their disabilities can't be mitigated and they can't otherwise be privately cared for, or prove to be dangerously unstable that cannot be reasonably controlled, etc, then there are legal methods to place them humanely somewhere.

Here's the true problem, e.g.,
Trump's one piece of gun-related legislation undid restrictions aimed at mental illness - CNN
If a nutjob and known terrorist is allowed to wander the streets that's down to liberal judges trying to be politically 'correct'. The Florida shooter could e.g. have hopped into a truck and mowed down a couple of hundred people. And that's a fact.

No more soft judges. The FBI were warned. The shooter was known as a nutjob and terrorist and should have been locked up and kept off the streets.
 

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For context here, the NRA donated $21,000,000 to the morons campaign during the 2016 elections.


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If a nutjob and known terrorist is allowed to wander the streets that's down to liberal judges trying to be politically 'correct'. The Florida shooter could e.g. have hopped into a truck and mowed down a couple of hundred people. And that's a fact.

No more soft judges. The FBI were warned. The shooter was known as a nutjob and terrorist and should have been locked up and kept off the streets.
BS except for the fact that current absence of reasonable gun laws permits people that clearly shouldn't have guns to get them, e.g.,
Guns and the no-fly list: Of course we shouldn't allow suspected terrorists to buy firearms - Los Angeles Times
Democrats: 'No-Fly, No-Buy' Gun Bill Could Have Prevented Orlando Killings -US News and World Report

The Republican-led Senate on Monday voted down proposals to bar gun sales to terrorism suspects, notching another victory for gun rights advocates eight days after a gunman who had been on an FBI terrorism watch list killed 49 people at a nightclub in Orlando, Fla.

The votes marked the latest attempt by Democrats to break the congressional impasse on guns, a bitter partisan divide that long has blocked new federal regulations.
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The competing measures Monday focused on two issues: background checks and terrorism watch lists.
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Senate votes down proposal to bar gun sales to terrorism suspects - Los Angeles Times

The near daily spree shootings are on your type.
 

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Typical softy liberal. Always making endless excuses.

If a nutjob and known terrorist is allowed to wander the streets that's down to liberal judges trying to be politically 'correct'. The Florida shooter could e.g. have hopped into a truck and mowed down a couple of hundred people. And that's a fact.

No more soft judges. The FBI were warned. The shooter was known as a nutjob and terrorist and should have been locked up and kept off the streets.
 

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Typical softy liberal. Always making endless excuses.

If a nutjob and known terrorist is allowed to wander the streets that's down to liberal judges trying to be politically 'correct'. The Florida shooter could e.g. have hopped into a truck and mowed down a couple of hundred people. And that's a fact.

No more soft judges. The FBI were warned. The shooter was known as a nutjob and terrorist and should have been locked up and kept off the streets.
You're a fùckin bullshítter Comrade Botsky.

You're barking up the wrong tree on this one. I own guns including a semiauto handgun for hunting and self defence, and even have a concealed carry licence. That said, I have no issue whatsoever with proper background checks for owning and possessing firearms. The loopholes permitting gift transfers and/or sales without background checks should be closed. People should prove mental and social suitability to obtain firearms. People should go through a licensed course for handling them properly. Extremely dangerous weapons and ancillary things like high capacity magazines and bump stocks, etc, that turn weapons into fully auto spree shooting machines belong in a gun club or range. There should be red flags thrown for people stockpiling ammo and weapons and/or suspected 'straw purchasers' for banned owners that buy weapons like candy and other such reasonable measures.

So don't give me this 'lefty' sh!t or even think of passing off your own stink as mine. With rights comes responsibility and reasonable limitations for abusive uses as with free speech (slander, harassment, threats, etc).

You types simply don't give a flying sh!t about arming nuts and terrorists, etc. You're pro-crime, pro-terrorist, pro-anti-government white supremacy and/or religious cults and conspiracy driven militia groups, etc, when it comes to reasonable gun control measures.
 
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For context here, the NRA donated $21,000,000 to the morons campaign during the 2016 elections.


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I'd say they bribe, er...donate to them all...
 

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The mental health issue is bull , most of these shooters do not have real mental health issues, they have personality disorders.
 

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We know the shooter was on meds... but was he also on medical marihuana?

Libloons keep endlessly pushing meds and medical marihuana on teens. Time to draw a line in the sand and stop libloon madness. Say no to drugs and drug pushers.
 

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Typical softy liberal. Always making endless excuses.

If a nutjob and known terrorist is allowed to wander the streets that's down to liberal judges trying to be politically 'correct'. The Florida shooter could e.g. have hopped into a truck and mowed down a couple of hundred people. And that's a fact.

No more soft judges. The FBI were warned. The shooter was known as a nutjob and terrorist and should have been locked up and kept off the streets.
Real Russian bot creepy stuff. Go on the offensive.

You have clean hands, then?

It was your God Emperor Trump who put a gun in his hand, and empowered his White Supremacist violence.

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

Nikolas Cruz: Depressed loner 'crazy about guns' - BBC News

This depressed youth trained with the militia Trump called "good people".

White Supremacist Group Says Florida Shooting Suspect Attended Their Trainings

Not a chance of Trump or you taking responsibilty, though.

Update ... the claim now is that Cruz had no link to white supremacists, but I have heard a classmate say that he often used racially-charged hate-speech.
 
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We know the shooter was on meds... but was he also on medical marihuana?

Libloons keep endlessly pushing meds and medical marihuana on teens. Time to draw a line in the sand and stop libloon madness. Say no to drugs and drug pushers.
More BS as usual.

Exactly how may potheads rob and suck dick to get money for their weed? Now, by contrast, how many do that to get their opioids?

The truth is that the GOP has been doping and addicting Americans in exchange for being drug company whores profiting upon them all.

In April 2016, at the height of the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history, Congress effectively stripped the Drug Enforcement Administration of its most potent weapon against large drug companies suspected of spilling prescription narcotics onto the nation’s streets.
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The law was the crowning achievement of a multifaceted campaign by the drug industry to weaken aggressive DEA enforcement efforts against drug distribution companies that were supplying corrupt doctors and pharmacists who peddled narcotics to the black market. The industry worked behind the scenes with lobbyists and key members of Congress, pouring more than a million dollars into their election campaigns.

The chief advocate of the law that hobbled the DEA was Rep. Tom Marino, a Pennsylvania Republican who is now President Trump’s nominee to become the nation’s next drug czar. Marino spent years trying to move the law through Congress. It passed after Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) negotiated a final version with the DEA.

For years, some drug distributors were fined for repeatedly ignoring warnings from the DEA to shut down suspicious sales of hundreds of millions of pills, while they racked up billions of dollars in sales.

The new law makes it virtually impossible for the DEA to freeze suspicious narcotic shipments from the companies, according to internal agency and Justice Department documents and an independent assessment by the DEA’s chief administrative law judge in a soon-to-be-published law review article. That powerful tool had allowed the agency to immediately prevent drugs from reaching the street.
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THE DRUG INDUSTRY’S TRIUMPH OVER THE DEA - Washington Post

The GOP is also mainly behind the private prison industry that locks the addicts up.
Trump, Republican sweep is a 'game changer' for private prison industry - CNBC

They really enjoy locking up the potheads because they're not addicts, a large percent of the public smokes pot, and they make easygoing plentiful private prison industry prisoners. It also keeps the cartels with the bulk of their business, which funds the luxury homes and goods market, funds private prisons, 'justifies' far more law enforcement budgeting, and pleases the alcohol lobby.

A large percent of cartel and street drug pusher activity would evaporate with legalising marijuana with tax money raised and resources refocused on dangerous addicting narcotics. That's what's good for border security, public safety, etc. But that's not what really motivates the GOP.
 


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