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US Israel-Palestine policy


Dame_Enda

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Some Dem candidates criticising Bibi's WB annexation plan, including Buttigieg and Beto. Beto calling Bibi a racist.


O'Rourke: US-Israel relationship must transcend 'a prime minister who is racist'

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Former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D), in an apparent reference to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said Sunday that the relationship between the U.S. and Israel must transcend “a prime minister who is racist.”
Asked in Iowa City Sunday if his criticism of Netanyahu risked alienating supporters of Israel, O’Rourke drew a distinction between support for Israel and support for Netanyahu.
“The US-Israel relationship is one of the most important relationships that we have on the planet, and that relationship, if it is successful, must transcend partisanship in the United States, and it must be able to transcend a prime minister who is racist, as he warns against Arabs coming to the polls, who wants to defy any prospect for peace as he threatens to annex the West Bank, and who has sided with a far-right racist party in order to maintain his hold on power,” O’Rourke said, referring to Netanyahu seeking to form a coalition with the Otzma Yehudit party.
Netanyahu, O’Rourke said, does not represent either the best interests of the U.S.-Israel relationship or a path to peace in the region.
“We must be able to transcend his current leadership to make sure that the alliance is strong, that we continue to push for and settle for nothing less than a two-state solution, because that is the best opportunity for peace for the people of Israel and the people of Palestine,” O’Rourke said.

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Outgoing French ambassador to the US criticises Jared Kushner's peace plan. Warns of "Apartheid".


Yara Bayoumy: Your career started out in the Middle East. Where do you see the situation there now, especially with the peace process?
Gérard Araud: I’m close to Jared Kushner … Everywhere in the history of mankind, when there is a negotiation between two sides, the more powerful [party] is imposing terms on the weaker party. That’s the basis of Jared Kushner’s [peace plan]—it will be a proposal very close to what the Israelis want. Is it doomed to fail? I should say 99 percent yes, but 1 percent, you never forget the 1 percent. Trump is uniquely able to push the Israelis, because he is so popular in Israel.
Bayoumy: But Trump hasn’t pushed the Israelis so far.
Araud: Exactly, but if need be, he may do it. Once Trump told Macron, “I have given everything to the Israelis; the Israelis will have to give me something.” He is totally transactional. He is more popular than [Benjamin] Netanyahu in Israel, so the Israelis trust him. That’s the first bet, Kushner told me. The second is that the Palestinians may consider, it’s their last chance to get limited sovereignty. And the third element is Kushner is going to pour money on the Palestinians. Don’t forget, the Arabs are behind the Americans. The plan is 50 pages, we were told, very precise; we don’t know what is in the plan. But we’ll see.
The problem is that the disproportion of power is such between the two sides that the strongest may conclude that they have no interest to make concessions. And also the fact that the status quo is extremely comfortable for Israel. Because they [can] have the cake and eat it. They have the West Bank, but at the same time they don’t have to make the painful decision about the Palestinians, really making them really, totally stateless or making them citizens of Israel. They won’t make them citizens of Israel. So they will have to make it official, which is we know the situation, which is an apartheid. There will be officially an apartheid state. They are in fact already.
Bayoumy: How do you feel Kushner approached the peace plan?
Araud: He is totally in real-estate mode. He is totally dry. He’s extremely smart, but he has no guts. He doesn’t know the history. And in a sense, it’s good—we are not here to say who is right, who is wrong; we are trying to find a way. So in a sense, I like it, but at the same time he is so rational, and he is so pro-Israeli also, that he may neglect the point that if you offer the Palestinians the choice between surrendering and committing suicide, they may decide the latter. Somebody like Kushner doesn’t understand that.

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Outgoing French ambassador to the US criticises Jared Kushner's peace plan. Warns of "Apartheid".

Is anyone really surprised by this?

FFS, Trump's emissary, Jared Kushner, supported illegal Israeli settlements financially, and continue to do so.

It just shows the utter contempt that Trump and Kusher have for Palestinians. "Parity of esteem" me bollix!

The pressure is on to force the Palestinians to accept a small village outside Jerusalem as their "capital", have a few counties or cantons as their "state", with overall security in the hands of Israel. An apartheid state, in other words, with Bantustans as cheap labour where almost 50% of the population will live in poverty, or forfeit their land if the Israeli state decides.

Trump or Kushner may get their way, but does anyone really think this is a "peace" settlement that could last?

Meanwhile, Israel is perfectly happy with the status quo, and has no incentive, or is under no pressure, to do anything.

Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner financed Israeli extremists and illegal settlements
it is entirely possible that the Peace Plan will be postponed while Israel asserts sovereignty over more of the West Bank, with Trump's approval.

Then Saudi Arabia will be enlisted to browbeat the Palestinians into Kushner's fake settlement which will probably leave Palestinians short of full state sovereignty, and with security forces that are controlled by Israel. The carrot will be promised enormous outside investment .... I do not see the EU or China, let alone Russia, buying into that.

Some of the Palestinian elite may be bribed, but somehow I think the Palestinian people as a whole will reject the corrupt and cynical Trump-Kushner "deal".

Ironically, the one force that could become an honest broker, respected by Palestinians and Israelis, is ... Vladimir Putin's Russia. With Putin now also starting to pull the strings in Libya, the credibility of the US in the Middle East and North Africa is at an all time low.
 
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Bibi to name an Israeli settlement in the Golan Heights after Trump,
Just to ensure no Palestinian or no Arab will ever think Trump or the US is an "honest broker" ever again ....

A subtle way to scupper the Crown Prince's "Jared Peace Plan" ....
 

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New US poll. Dems divided on Israel. 38% of Dems says US is too supportive of Israel, 41% say its support is "about right", and 11% say its not enough.
Overall, 24% of Americans says its "too supportive", 14% say not supportive enough, and 47% say its about right,.

Compared to 2017, the combined "not enough/about right" vote has dropped from 77% to 61%. "Too supportive" has rise from 16% to 24%.

I don't see where it says 41% of Dems say its support is "about right".
I read that 30% of Dems say "about right" and 11% "not enough" - so together they make 41%.
Again, the trend here is clear: 38% too much, 41% satisfied or want more support for Israel; so there will probably soon be a plurality, and then a majority, of Dems looking to reduce support for Israel.
I reckon that Trump has accelerated this trend. His short-term support for Israel's natsy policies may be dearly bought.
 
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