US White people are killing themselves in record numbers

gleeful

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
7,520
Extraordinary graph from the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/death-rates-rise-for-wide-swath-of-white-adults-1490240740





There is something wrong in the culture of white America - and whatever it is, its unique amoung the western nations.

"Death rates for white non-Hispanics with a high-school education or less now exceed those of blacks overall, the pair said—and they’re 30% higher for whites age 50 to 54 than for blacks overall of that age."

The opium epidemic might explain some of it - whites seemingly being culturally more enclined towards dangerous alcohol and drug use.

"Those changes have come along with trends such as a decline in marriage, more temporary relationships and children out of wedlock, and a rise in social isolation that have made life less stable, they said. Taken together, these changes in life may be leading to physical and mental-health problems, they said, calling their hypothesis “preliminary but plausible” with more research needed on several fronts."
 


Mad as Fish

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 6, 2012
Messages
24,185
Extraordinary graph from the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/death-rates-rise-for-wide-swath-of-white-adults-1490240740





There is something wrong in the culture of white America - and whatever it is, its unique amoung the western nations.

"Death rates for white non-Hispanics with a high-school education or less now exceed those of blacks overall, the pair said—and they’re 30% higher for whites age 50 to 54 than for blacks overall of that age."

The opium epidemic might explain some of it - whites seemingly being culturally more enclined towards dangerous alcohol and drug use.

"Those changes have come along with trends such as a decline in marriage, more temporary relationships and children out of wedlock, and a rise in social isolation that have made life less stable, they said. Taken together, these changes in life may be leading to physical and mental-health problems, they said, calling their hypothesis “preliminary but plausible” with more research needed on several fronts."
One factor they seem to not want to mention is the suicide rate amongst ex soldiers which is running at twenty a day.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-veterans-commit-suicide-at-rate-of-20-a-day-va-says-1467908311
 

Fritzbox

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2012
Messages
2,578
There is something wrong in the culture of white America - and whatever it is, its unique amoung the western nations.

"Death rates for white non-Hispanics with a high-school education or less now exceed those of blacks overall, the pair said—and they’re 30% higher for whites age 50 to 54 than for blacks overall of that age."

The opium epidemic might explain some of it - whites seemingly being culturally more enclined towards dangerous alcohol and drug use.

"Those changes have come along with trends such as a decline in marriage, more temporary relationships and children out of wedlock, and a rise in social isolation that have made life less stable, they said. Taken together, these changes in life may be leading to physical and mental-health problems, they said, calling their hypothesis “preliminary but plausible” with more research needed on several fronts."
Very interesting. I suspect the economic situation in America has a role to play too, especially the employment issue. Job insecurity would certainly have an impact on the overall sense of personal insecurity felt by many individuals.
 

Hans Von Horn

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 4, 2015
Messages
1,594
I'm not entirely sure how that influences the overall US suicide rate?
Useful to compare the rate to the enlistment rate. How many of these unfortunates would be vulnerable to suicide in any event?
 

gleeful

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
7,520
Very interesting. I suspect the economic situation in America has a role to play too, especially the employment issue. Job insecurity would certainly have an impact on the overall sense of personal insecurity felt by many individuals.
Lose your job, lose you healthcare, lose your home next.

Oh and you can be sacked at any moment for any reason.
 

Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
53,658
Many of them live in states devastated by NAFTA and steel imports from China, I suspect.
 

Franzoni

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 3, 2010
Messages
16,328
Lose your job, lose you healthcare, lose your home next.

Oh and you can be sacked at any moment for any reason.
That's what they voted for ...not just this time but for decades....the american dream is one of material gain and consists basically around the premise of "the devil take the hindmost"
 

Fritzbox

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2012
Messages
2,578
That's simply not true.
In many work situations it's true - in those work situations where the worker was not officially employed by the company, you know, agency labour, self-employed, freelancers.
 

NYCKY

Moderator
Joined
Apr 17, 2010
Messages
13,292
In many work situations it's true - in those work situations where the worker was not officially employed by the company, you know, agency labour, self-employed, freelancers.
Yes, technically in those cases where the employee willingly takes on the role, the employee also knows that he or she is free to leave at any time. The same concept applies in many western countries.

There are of course many protections for workers at the Federal level, race, creed, parental status etc and even more at local levels, sexual orientation, gender identity etc.
 

IvoShandor

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
7,254
Twitter
yes
I have no doubt that it is related to the fact that the so-called "American dream" is fading. People can't look forward to their lives inevitably improving and their children enjoying a higher standard of living than they did. The Middle Class is declining, while the wealth of the highest strata of the upper class is increasing. Disruptive technologies and work practises are reducing employment and the supposed benefits of these things have yet to appear. Pensionable,permanent jobs are being replaced by "gig" work practises like Deliveroo and Uber while the market-orientated technocracy drone on about people having to be adaptable, agile, fleet of foot etc etc.(not something that has much traction in Detroit or the Appalchians). Globalisation has destroyed many traditional communities while those who have benefited from it often seem invisible to the average person, especially in Southern, rural and rust-belt communities. The Republicans have addled the minds of many rural and blue-collar Americans,persuading them that their woes are due to coddled minorities, people who want to take their guns,liberals and gays, while scheming to destroy any social services they have to get more money into the hands of the military and CEOs*, and,especially in the South, these people see their standard of living stagnate, their health worsen and pollution increase. Many of the Democrats don't seem to care either, being obsessed with identity politics and cultural issues. People see no improvement. Committing suicide is rather like voting for Trump, an act of desperation when people see no way out.

* After all, these people are the lazy, shiftless 47%, whom nobody can persuade to get off their asses and work.
 
Last edited:

TedHankey

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 3, 2014
Messages
1,061
That's what they voted for ...not just this time but for decades....the american dream is one of material gain and consists basically around the premise of "the devil take the hindmost"
It's not just material gain and it's not just limited to american culture, but you're right. We are no different in Europe really, it's more of a element of the capitalist mindset, it's a capitalist dream. They do sell the dream or narrative better across the atlantic though.
 

nomahdi

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2013
Messages
2,593
Lose your job, lose you healthcare, lose your home next.

Oh and you can be sacked at any moment for any reason.
I also think an issue is popular culture/the MSM:
flick a switch and you're watching millionaires ('journalists') fawning over multi-millionaires (pols, show biz) all owned by billionaires ... CNN practically the worst in this regard. Deeply alienating.
One other question: will these stats make the anti-Trump pack twig they haven't a clue what's driving Trumpism.
 

GDPR

1
Joined
Jul 5, 2008
Messages
217,846
The greatest number of suicides in the USA historically took place during the Depression of the 1930s.

If you drill down into this recent increase, the age group most at risk is 45-64, ie those most likely to be badly affected by job loss, bankruptcy, foreclosure and medical issues.

The figure is also boosted because for the first time ever (and this is unprecedented) the gap between male and female rates of suicide is closing. The scary thing is that the biggest increase - 200% - was for girls between the ages of 10 and 14 (although in numbers that is still a very small group).

I would say one issue that posters are over-looking is the extent to which society in the US treats people at risk with compassion and understanding. I wonder if the Suck it up, keep on trucking, when the going gets tough, the tough get going attitude means the depressed or those with mental health issues find it difficult to reach out and access quality care - other than a bunch of pills.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top