UVF asked to assassinate Haughey?

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May have been?

No, he was. And his family benefits from his corruption.

A crook, through and through.
 

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May have been?

No, he was. And his family benefits from his corruption.

A crook, through and through.
Actually, one of the few things to commend him was that he had a frothing at the mouth hatred of capital punishment and was quick to commute the death sentences in the wake of the Ballaghadreen Killings!
 

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Actually, one of the few things to commend him was that he had a frothing at the mouth hatred of capital punishment and was quick to commute the death sentences in the wake of the Ballaghadreen Killings!
Didn't mind the death and suffering inflicted by cuts to the health service
 

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He may have been a philandering theiving Carvet shirt wearing gombeen extraordinaire but if the two main sets of the British secret service want you dead you can't have been all that bad?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/loyalists-told-charles-haughey-mi5-asked-us-to-execute-you-1.3339804?mode=amp
What a ridiculous crock. If there was any truth to this letter existing, then he was lied to.

An assassination of a foreign head of state, on this magnitude would not have been handled by 'an MI5 operative', or even by 5 at all.

“We refused to do it, we were asked would we accept responsibility if you were killed we refused,” the UVF said in the letter.

Signed in block capitals “Capt W Johnston”, the name used by the UVF in all its formal statements, it closed with the line: “We have no love for you but we are not going to carry out work for the Dirty Tricks Department of the British.”
Of course the UVF were appalled at the mere idea of British dirty tricks - get a grip. :roll:
 

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What a ridiculous crock. If there was any truth to this letter existing, then he was lied to.

An assassination of a foreign head of state, on this magnitude would not have been handled by 'an MI5 operative', or even by 5 at all.



Of course the UVF were appalled at the mere idea of British dirty tricks - get a grip. :roll:
Why would the Cúntz lie?
Are you seriously telling me that The Britz were not capable of 'taking out' a political leader at this level, of course they would be, without a shadow!
 

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I think it is not at all far-fetched to imply that Loyalists may have had a better sense of morality than the British.


If I recall correctly, it was alleged that the British-connected members of the Glennane gang wanted Loyalists to target a Catholic primary school and wipe out children. The Loyalist leaders in Belfast refused to allow the operation.
 
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What a ridiculous crock. If there was any truth to this letter existing, then he was lied to.

An assassination of a foreign head of state, on this magnitude would not have been handled by 'an MI5 operative', or even by 5 at all.



Of course the UVF were appalled at the mere idea of British dirty tricks - get a grip. :roll:

MI5 was operating in NI not MI6.
 
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Why would the Cúntz lie?
Are you seriously telling me that The Britz were not capable of 'taking out' a political leader at this level, of course they would be, without a shadow!
And yet it apparently all came to naught because an Ulster Loyalist Paramilitary Group refused to get involved. Yeah right.

I find it hard to believe that the British establishment would have had any desire to kill CJH, but just for a laugh assuming they did, they would have had options beyond involving NI Loyalists, who if exposed would have caused the whole of Ireland to go apesh1t.
 

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I think it is not at all far-fetched to imply that Loyalists may have had a better sense of morality than the British.
The stock-in-trade of the two main Loyalist gangs was drive-by murders of anyone who could be safely assumed to be a Roman Catholic in a Nationalist area. The claims of gusty Spence et al to any kind of morality make Gerry Adams look like just a bit of a see you next Tuesday.
 

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Quite frankly, given the amateurish nature of loyalist paramilitaries it’s hard to see MI5 outsourcing a ‘job’ of such import. Presumably this letter was an attempt at unnerving Haughey, if indeed it was issued the UVF high command.
 

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The stock-in-trade of the two main Loyalist gangs was drive-by murders of anyone who could be safely assumed to be a Roman Catholic in a Nationalist area. The claims of gusty Spence et al to any kind of morality make Gerry Adams look like just a bit of a see you next Tuesday.

Utter crud, do a bit of research please.
 

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It could have been Loyalists acting on their own trying to spook him or the UK Deep State trying to do the same through. The UK Deep State certainly did have it in for Charles Haughey- I would strongly recommend the book "Operation Brogue" on the subject (cue rainmaker claiming that all MI5, MI6, et al are interested is helping little old ladies across the road and rescuing cats that have got stuck up trees).
 

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Could have been the product of a particularly hard night on the sauce in the service of Queen and country. Those Loyalist freedom fighters knew how to drink. I’d favour hallucination over cunning plan.
 
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Thatcher found FitzGerald and his egghead lectures more annoying. Haughey was her sort of chap.
 
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Look at Jo Cox and the attempted gun grabber at the Trump rally. Dark Forces as Lizzie told Paul.
 

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Quite frankly, given the amateurish nature of loyalist paramilitaries it’s hard to see MI5 outsourcing a ‘job’ of such import. Presumably this letter was an attempt at unnerving Haughey, if indeed it was issued the UVF high command.
Luckily for them they had great support
 

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What a ridiculous crock. If there was any truth to this letter existing, then he was lied to.

An assassination of a foreign head of state, on this magnitude would not have been handled by 'an MI5 operative', or even by 5 at all.



Of course the UVF were appalled at the mere idea of British dirty tricks - get a grip. :roll:
Haughey was not the leader of Ireland in 1985.
 


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