UVF asked to assassinate Haughey?

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As a former member of the security forces , and knowing the intellectual abilities of the UVF i would not send them to the shops, given Haugheys money problems i am sure he was already compromised, so why would you kill an asset.
 
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As a former member of the security forces , and knowing the intellectual abilities of the UVF i would not send them to the shops, given Haugheys money problems i am sure was already compromised, so why would you kill an asset.

They killed a lot of people in Dublin and Monaghan.
 

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Sgt Harper are you serious that you're from the Republic yet served in the British Army in the north?
Ignore that Walter.

He can be found on the katanga thread waxing lyrical about his brave uncle and the heroics of the Irish troops whilst steadfastly ignoring that they were in that situation because of the British mining company.

Ah sassanach shít is my dear departed great grandmother would say.
 

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It does not require great military prowess, to plant a no warning bomb.
 

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Very cold indeed Sir.

But given the very tense situation during the worst of it and relations between the UK and the ROI very fraught, it would only have taken a couple of badly misjudged instances and a resulting snowball effect for a possible coming to blows - eg along the border - between the BA and the ROI Defence Forces.

Would you have fought your own Countries army in the service of another?
I don't believe there was ever a time when such a thing was even remotely possible or likely, but something like that would have put me in a very awkward position it must be said. Maybe I'd have done as Brian Inglis did when serving in the Western Desert in WW2 and heard, wrongly obviously, that the Free State had been invaded by the British, in the absence of anything else they could do about it he and his mate went and got drunk!
 
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Ignore that Walter.

He can be found on the katanga thread waxing lyrical about his brave uncle and the heroics of the Irish troops whilst steadfastly ignoring that they were in that situation because of the British mining company.

Ah sassanach shít is my dear departed great grandmother would say.
So "de Brits" can now be blamed for the Battle of Jadotville now can they?

Dear God, you have now clearly lost your mind, there's nothing left of it but your insane bigotry. There was a time when you were a somewhat ******************************ly but reasonably rational poster, but that's long gone.

Nowadays you're simply beyond a joke, and you can't even see it.
 

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You're moving the goal-posts. No-one denies that serving UDR and RUC personell were involved in the Glennane Gang, that's a matter ir record and the findings of The Barron Report as it relates to them are hardly controversial.

You know very well however, that the same report also absolves the British Government from any involvement in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, so in the interestst of clarity let's see you post your unqualified acknowledgement of that fact, and your full acceptance that the bombings were NOT carried out on the orders of the British government?
John Weir was an officer in the RUC's Special Patrol Group during the 1970s. In 1980, he and fellow RUC officer Billy McCaughey were convicted of taking part in the murder of a Catholic civilian. Following their convictions, they implicated fellow RUC officers and UDR soldiers in a string of loyalist attacks. In a sworn affidavit, Weir revealed that he had been part of the 'Glenanne gang' – a secret alliance of UVF members and security force personnel who carried out numerous attacks on the Irish Nationalist community in the 1970s. Most of its attacks took place in the area of County Armagh and Tyrone referred to as the "murder triangle", but it also launched some attacks in the Republic. According to Weir, this included the Dublin-Monaghan bombings.

He named people who he said were involved in a number of these attacks. He also named a farm in Glenanne, owned by RUC officer James Mitchell, he claimed was used as a base of operations by the group. Furthermore, he alleged that senior RUC officers knew of, and gave tacit approval to, these activities.
According to Weir, the main organiser of the Dublin-Monaghan bombings was Billy Hanna, a UDR sergeant and UVF 'brigadier'. He claimed that Hanna, Robin Jackson, Davy Payne and William Marchant carried out the Dublin bombings, while Stewart Young and brothers John and Wesley Somerville (both UDR soldiers) carried out the Monaghan bombing. He claimed the explosives had been provided by Captain John Irwin, a UDR Intelligence Officer, and that the bombs had been assembled at the Glenanne farm of James Mitchell, with help from fellow RUC officer Laurence McClure.

Weir claims British Army Intelligence and the RUC knew who the culprits were but did not arrest them. Furthermore, he says it is likely that Army Intelligence/RUC knew about the bombings beforehand, due to its contacts with the Glenanne group.



The Barron Inquiry believes that Weir’s evidence is credible, and "agrees with the view of An Garda Síochána that Weir's allegations regarding the Dublin and Monaghan bombings must be treated with the utmost seriousness".


The Barron Inquiry found evidence to support Weir's claims. This included a chain of ballistics history linking the same weapons to many of the attacks Weir outlined.



"Sgt.Harper" believes the Barron Report.



Collusion was rampant - only deluded errand boys and useful idiots for the British establishment deny it.


You refuse to admit that the British State and its agencies that you volunteered to serve knew who the culprits were but did not arrest them. Furthermore, John Weir says it is likely that Army Intelligence/RUC knew about the bombings beforehand, due to its contacts with the Glenanne group.



Moreover, you refuse to admit that the same Barron Inquiry believes that Weir’s evidence is credible, and "agrees with the view of An Garda Síochána that Weir's allegations regarding the Dublin and Monaghan bombings must be treated with the utmost seriousness"


You are a proven hypocrite.
 

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They killed a lot of people in Dublin and Monaghan.
How's your reading of The Barron Report coming along there? Is this the begining of your long-awaited acknowledgement of it's findings then?
 

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John Weir was an officer in the RUC's Special Patrol Group during the 1970s. In 1980, he and fellow RUC officer Billy McCaughey were convicted of taking part in the murder of a Catholic civilian. Following their convictions, they implicated fellow RUC officers and UDR soldiers in a string of loyalist attacks. In a sworn affidavit, Weir revealed that he had been part of the 'Glenanne gang' – a secret alliance of UVF members and security force personnel who carried out numerous attacks on the Irish Nationalist community in the 1970s. Most of its attacks took place in the area of County Armagh and Tyrone referred to as the "murder triangle", but it also launched some attacks in the Republic. According to Weir, this included the Dublin-Monaghan bombings.

He named people who he said were involved in a number of these attacks. He also named a farm in Glenanne, owned by RUC officer James Mitchell, he claimed was used as a base of operations by the group. Furthermore, he alleged that senior RUC officers knew of, and gave tacit approval to, these activities.
According to Weir, the main organiser of the Dublin-Monaghan bombings was Billy Hanna, a UDR sergeant and UVF 'brigadier'. He claimed that Hanna, Robin Jackson, Davy Payne and William Marchant carried out the Dublin bombings, while Stewart Young and brothers John and Wesley Somerville (both UDR soldiers) carried out the Monaghan bombing. He claimed the explosives had been provided by Captain John Irwin, a UDR Intelligence Officer, and that the bombs had been assembled at the Glenanne farm of James Mitchell, with help from fellow RUC officer Laurence McClure.

Weir claims British Army Intelligence and the RUC knew who the culprits were but did not arrest them. Furthermore, he says it is likely that Army Intelligence/RUC knew about the bombings beforehand, due to its contacts with the Glenanne group.



The Barron Inquiry believes that Weir’s evidence is credible, and "agrees with the view of An Garda Síochána that Weir's allegations regarding the Dublin and Monaghan bombings must be treated with the utmost seriousness".


The Barron Inquiry found evidence to support Weir's claims. This included a chain of ballistics history linking the same weapons to many of the attacks Weir outlined.



"Sgt.Harper" believes the Barron Report.



Collusion was rampant - only deluded errand boys and useful idiots for the British establishment deny it.


You refuse to admit that the British State and its agencies that you volunteered to serve knew who the culprits were but did not arrest them. Furthermore, John Weir says it is likely that Army Intelligence/RUC knew about the bombings beforehand, due to its contacts with the Glenanne group.



Moreover, you refuse to admit that the same Barron Inquiry believes that Weir’s evidence is credible, and "agrees with the view of An Garda Síochána that Weir's allegations regarding the Dublin and Monaghan bombings must be treated with the utmost seriousness"


You are a proven hypocrite.
You'll do your back in moving those goalposts all over the place so often y'know?

Now, instead of simply wall-papering the site with selective quotes, why not just quote the part that says the British Government were responsible for Dublin/Monaghan then, because that's what you and others have been squealing about for months after all?

But you can't, can you?
 

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They killed a lot of people in Dublin and Monaghan.
Undoubtedly, with British State assistance on that one. Indeed The RUC subsequently ignored Garda requests to interview suspects!
As a general rule, I wouldn't put a Loyalist Para in charge of a septic tank on his own, mind you it would be the ideal job for most Provos!:cool:
 

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You'll do your back in moving those goalposts all over the place so often y'know?

Now, instead of simply wall-papering the site with selective quotes, why not just quote the part that says the British Government were responsible for Dublin/Monaghan then, because that's what you and others have been squealing about for months after all?

But you can't, can you?
John Weir was an officer in the RUC's Special Patrol Group during the 1970s. In 1980, he and fellow RUC officer Billy McCaughey were convicted of taking part in the murder of a Catholic civilian. Following their convictions, they implicated fellow RUC officers and UDR soldiers in a string of loyalist attacks. In a sworn affidavit, Weir revealed that he had been part of the 'Glenanne gang' – a secret alliance of UVF members and security force personnel who carried out numerous attacks on the Irish Nationalist community in the 1970s. Most of its attacks took place in the area of County Armagh and Tyrone referred to as the "murder triangle", but it also launched some attacks in the Republic. According to Weir, this included the Dublin-Monaghan bombings.

He named people who he said were involved in a number of these attacks. He also named a farm in Glenanne, owned by RUC officer James Mitchell, he claimed was used as a base of operations by the group. Furthermore, he alleged that senior RUC officers knew of, and gave tacit approval to, these activities.
According to Weir, the main organiser of the Dublin-Monaghan bombings was Billy Hanna, a UDR sergeant and UVF 'brigadier'. He claimed that Hanna, Robin Jackson, Davy Payne and William Marchant carried out the Dublin bombings, while Stewart Young and brothers John and Wesley Somerville (both UDR soldiers) carried out the Monaghan bombing. He claimed the explosives had been provided by Captain John Irwin, a UDR Intelligence Officer, and that the bombs had been assembled at the Glenanne farm of James Mitchell, with help from fellow RUC officer Laurence McClure.

Weir claims British Army Intelligence and the RUC knew who the culprits were but did not arrest them. Furthermore, he says it is likely that Army Intelligence/RUC knew about the bombings beforehand, due to its contacts with the Glenanne group.



The Barron Inquiry believes that Weir’s evidence is credible, and "agrees with the view of An Garda Síochána that Weir's allegations regarding the Dublin and Monaghan bombings must be treated with the utmost seriousness".

The Barron Inquiry found evidence to support Weir's claims. This included a chain of ballistics history linking the same weapons to many of the attacks Weir outlined.




"Sgt.Harper" believes the Barron Report.



Collusion was rampant - only deluded errand boys and useful idiots for the British establishment deny it.


You refuse to admit that the British State and its agencies that you volunteered to serve knew who the culprits were but did not arrest them. Furthermore, John Weir says it is likely that Army Intelligence/RUC knew about the bombings beforehand, due to its contacts with the Glenanne group.



Moreover, you refuse to admit that the same Barron Inquiry believes that Weir’s evidence is credible, and "agrees with the view of An Garda Síochána that Weir's allegations regarding the Dublin and Monaghan bombings must be treated with the utmost seriousness"


You are a proven hypocrite.

You are left hung, drawn and quartered by the same Barron Report you constantly refer to as a reference.

Sweet.
 
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Selective wall-papering again, you are tedious beyond belief.

The Barron Report found that there was no British Government involvement in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, somethiing that you and many others have been repeatedly claiming for some time now. You're still refusing to acknowledge that, while posting selectively from the same report. I have never denied that the Glennane Gang were responsible for the bombings, nor that some of the gang were corrupt members of the RUC and UDR. In fact I've mentioned it repeatedly, because it's a fact.
You and others hovever, have insisted that this meant that the bombings were carried out at at the order of and with the full approval of the British Government, well The Barron Report says otherwise, emphatically. but you can't and won't acknowledge that.

Weir's allegations were clearly "treated with the utmost seriousness", but in the end Barron found otherwise. For Weir to say that something was "likely" is not anywhere near proof that it was so, never mind conclusive proof. And we're talking about the word of a duplicitous murderer, a corrupt policeman and a bitter sectarian bigot here, somwone in fact who in all probability hates the British Government, as many so-called loyalists do.

The bombings were conveived, planned and carried out by the UVF without the knowledge assistance or approval of the British Government or any branch of it, you've been talking nonsense about for months now, so accept that and ne man enough to admit you were wrong.
 
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No such thing as Republican terrorists in Ireland for a start. The ONLY terrorists in Ireland were the British and their Unionist/Loyalist satellites. Yes Republicans DID do some awful things but the trigger and catalyst was illegal British and Unionist colonial occupation. The 26 county and 6 county states were a failure and NOTHING to do with the Irish identity so no wonder Irish Republicans held no sway for them. I distinctly remember David Dunseith interviewing an old Kerryman about 20 years ago, the Kerryman was a veteran of the War of Independence and the Civil War. The old veteran had refused a pension from the Irish state because he refused to recognise it existed, he was STILL as principled and loyal to his Republican comrades decades on. You DO realise of course that MOST Irish people would have total contempt for you and consider you a traitor?
I think the word you're looking for is 'are'.
 


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