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Van Rompuy tells Scotland that separatism is a thing of the past!


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What do you make of this? Blunt truth-telling, or outrageous intervention in a debate that is none of his business?

Van Rompuy, who will still be president of the council in 2014, when the independence referendum is due to take place, was asked his views on Scottish independence during a recent Q&A session broadcast on YouTube. "Nobody has anything to gain from separatism in the world of today which, whether one likes it or not, is globalised," he said. "We have so many important challenges to take and we will only succeed if we can pool forces, join action, take common directions. The global financial crisis is hitting us hard. Climate change is threatening the planet. How can separatism help? The word of the future is union."
A source close to the president said Van Rompuy would not be campaigning against Scottish independence. "The president would never involve himself in a national dispute. However, Scotland will need to reapply for EU membership and he could chair the meetings where that is discussed," he said. Van Rompuy's term will finish at the end of 2014.
EU tells Alex Salmond to think again in Scottish independence row | Politics | The Observer

The source said that Van Rompuy would never involve himself in the debate, but isn't that precisely what he did? And is independence really so worthless in the 'new legal order' that it is not worth pursuing? If so, why don't van Rompuy and others at the EU candidly admit that this is so in relation to the entire project?

And is Scottish independence really so futile in a world of alleged 'union'? After all, won't they still be outside monetary, fiscal, and banking union? And, should the UK begin to disengage from 'ever closer union' in favour of semi-detachment from enhanced co-operation, why would Scottish independence be so anachronistic?

I don't believe that Scottish independence is going to happen, so perhaps this is irrelevant. It seems to me, on the face of it, like unwarranted interference, but perhaps his words are out of context, I don't know. Perhaps he might be better served to keep quiet on such matters in future.
 


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The Scots should tell Gollum to f*ck off to his make-believe country and play happy EUnuch families with Tattoo Barrosso. And if the little gobsh!te turns up there someone should give him a Glasgow kiss as a welcome. The useless Belgian f*ck has no right to intervene in Scots politics and nobody elected the little geebag.

Regards...jmcc
 

Colin M

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It exposes Van Rompuy's real view on nation states, not that the EU cheerleaders here will open their eyes.

As for Scotland, the people can decide in a referendum. I can see pros and cons for either side there, myself.
 

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Would you expect anything else from one of the EU head honchos? Amazing though that he is so open about their ridiculous empire building. That said, the irony is the EU is whether he likes it or not made up of nation states and their citizens pay his salary at the end of the day. If the Scots do opt for independence, no doubt he will be happy to take their money once their application for membership is rubberstamped.

I suspect that the Scots will not take kindly to the likes of this unelected bureaucrat butting into their affairs.
 

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Van Rompuy, who will still be president of the council in 2014, when the independence referendum is due to take place, was asked his views on Scottish independence during a recent Q&A session broadcast on YouTube. "Nobody has anything to gain from separatism in the world of today which, whether one likes it or not, is globalised," he said. "We have so many important challenges to take and we will only succeed if we can pool forces, join action, take common directions. The global financial crisis is hitting us hard. Climate change is threatening the planet. How can separatism help? The word of the future is union."
A source close to the president said Van Rompuy would not be campaigning against Scottish independence. "The president would never involve himself in a national dispute. However, Scotland will need to reapply for EU membership and he could chair the meetings where that is discussed," he said. Van Rompuy's term will finish at the end of 2014.
Three words: New World Order.
 

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Someone should grill these c*nts, really grill them, on what words like "globalised" actually mean.
 

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Three words: New World Order.
And the Old World Order is so much fun thats why we should keep it?

Rompuy is indirectly commenting on his own country's chance of implosion.
 

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Van unelected Rompuy is a bare faced euro federalist, and despises nation states, himself and that former Maoist Barosso should be straped to a rocket and launched into space
 

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It sounds like he was asked a direct question during a Q&A. Anyone who deals with various nationalities on the continent will know that when asked a direct question, they are more likely than the Irish or the British to actually give a direct response. It's a cultural difference.

The whole theme of the EU at the moment is every closer union, not separation. I also think he is coming at this from the point of view of being Belgian. Belgium is going through a period where there are a lot of tensions between the French speaking Wallonia and the Dutch speaking Flanders. A growing number of Flemish would like to separate as a nation state and break Belgium up. I expect that he believes Belgium should stay as a single nation state and probably took a similar perspective when asked about Scotland.
 

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Would you expect anything else from one of the EU head honchos? Amazing though that he is so open about their ridiculous empire building. That said, the irony is the EU is whether he likes it or not made up of nation states and their citizens pay his salary at the end of the day. If the Scots do opt for independence, no doubt he will be happy to take their money once their application for membership is rubberstamped.

I suspect that the Scots will not take kindly to the likes of this unelected bureaucrat butting into their affairs.
You could not make it up.Every sf/ira type and little irelander is entitled to an opinion but Van Rumpypumpy is not. If he had intervened and said vote Yes then the same mugs would be cheering him on.
Immaterial anyway. No chance of it happening. Will be 80:20 against.
 

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This thread should attract the marquee posters! Seriously though, why is independence such a dirty word, why does union mean an all encompassing everything or nothing reality in these peoples eyes?
 

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This will probably have the opposite effect to what Van Rumpuy wanted. But he needn't worry, this referendum was never going to pass. Put your shirt on it.
 

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This will probably have the opposite effect to what Van Rumpuy wanted. But he needn't worry, this referendum was never going to pass. Put your shirt on it.
Advice coming from someone with "If there is a future, it will be Green." as a sig? :)

Regards...jmcc
 

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Van Rumpoy is sticking his nose in where it's not wanted but his is part of a bigger picture of growing separatist movements. Places like Catalonia in Spain, Flanders in Belgium and even Venice and Lombardi in Italy all flirt with separatist politicians. This is probably why Van Rumpoy is interfering in that a succesful or even close referendum would spur other regions to try the same.

One of the Catalonian leaders when told that they wouldn't survive outside of Spain retorted that it was Spain that wouldn't survive without Catalonia.

What is interesting is that the mother countries could block accession to the EU by their breakaway parts and that is something that they could be threatened with.
 

ruserious

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Ah Mr. Van Rompuy. He must have learned all about separatism growing up in Belgium...
 

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Herman Achille Van Rompuy was selected by Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands to fill his current position. In that light, his views and ideas on the application of democracy in Europe are just Too Much Information.
 

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Spain will disintegrate as will the EU.
When UK leaves will Ireland stay? I wonder.
 

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The Scots should tell Gollum to f*ck off to his make-believe country and play happy EUnuch families with Tattoo Barrosso. And if the little gobsh!te turns up there someone should give him a Glasgow kiss as a welcome. The useless Belgian f*ck has no right to intervene in Scots politics and nobody elected the little geebag.

Regards...jmcc

:)

great post jmcc....you even finished off with the "regards, jmcc"... :)

Of course you are talking out of your hole....but fun all the same :)
 

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