Varadkar doesn't know enough about Scientology to comment on it.

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Leo's spending on spin must be up there alongside Scientology's own splash on spin. Dr Leo served as a Health Minister once.
Surely he'd have a view on some of Scientology's claims to cure illnesses by thought rather than by treatment, regardless of whether he does or doesn't think it could be a cult. A medical doctor ignoring this sort of guff is appalling simply because he wants to seem right on.
What do you think he should do exactly? Brand them a cult and ban them?
 


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Bunreacht is anything but vague:


So, unless Scientology (which I abhor, BTW) can be demonstrated to be contrary to 'public order and morality', people are free to practice it. And it's not the job of an individual politician to decide what constitutes 'public order and morality'.
We tolerated Opus Del. And still do. And the Legionaires of Christ...

Neither breached public order and (of the time) morality.

Decency is a better measure. I'd add "decency and individual liberty" as a guard against cults.
 

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Allowing a Batchelor , in Rome to regulate your sex life is wee bit cultish,
 

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As a nation and a society we are hardly leading edge in our understanding of what constitutes cult behaviour likely to undermine the state and its operation. Given our social history.
 

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Wow! A guy who spends more time standing in front of a camera than Tom Cruise, says he doesn't know enough about Scientology to comment. Leo who often wears shades and suits and resembles one of the Men in Black as a nipper used to get the 37 from Middle Abbey St out to Castleknock in the 90's. Anyone familiar with the street could never escape a guy or woman with a clipboard who plagued people as they walked along the street inviting them inside for a free personality test to the Church of Dianetics and Science's personality outlet, yes Dublin did have one!

Given that FG invited the Church into the Dáil to discuss their plans to build their own Vatican complex in Firhouse, this simply doesn't stack up. Just what is it about FG and Scientology? Seems Dr Leo won't even call it a cult?
It's as much a cult as SF is.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/varadkar-i-dont-know-if-scientology-is-a-cult-im-loathe-to-interfere-with-religious-groups-36431015.html
Had to throw SF in at the end.

#obsessed
 

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Allowing a Batchelor , in Rome to regulate your sex life is wee bit cultish,
thata a bit of a "look squirrels" point of view
 

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Good series on Atlantic by Leah Rimini about former senior scientologists who are now speaking out about the practices carried out by the church - they are extremely clever at integrating themselves without actually using the name Scientology - some of the stuff on the internet is very funny eg. Tom Cruise saying

"Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident, it's not like anyone else. As you drive past, you know you have to do something about it, because you know you're the only one that can really help"

and

"We are the authorities in getting people off drugs. We are the authorities on the mind. We are the authorities on improving conditions. Criminals, we can rehabilitate criminals. Way to happiness, we can bring peace and unite cultures, uh, that once you know these tools and you know that they work, it's not good enough that I'm just (doing okay?)"

and finally a word about Tom

"Tom Cruise has introduced LRH technology to over one billion people on earth, and that's only the first wave he's unleashed. Which is why the story of Tom Cruise Scientologist has only just begun."
 

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Politician knows enough not to open a can of worms, shock horror.
FG have become far too tolerant over the last decade. First they let in gay marriage, then they're allowing an abortion referendum, now their leader (who isn't even WHITE) is preaching religious tolerance? This is not the Ireland I grew up in man. Down with this sort of thing.
 

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Can't treat different faiths differently if you want to be a liberal democracy. Them's the rules. Varadkar is quite right to give this a wide berth.

FF reverting to their backward tribal impulses effectively seeking to brand certain groups as "heretics". In 2017 :lol:
 

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Can't treat different faiths differently if you want to be a liberal democracy. Them's the rules. Varadkar is quite right to give this a wide berth.

FF reverting to their backward tribal impulses effectively seeking to brand certain groups as "heretics". In 2017 :lol:
I don't like any organised religion but you have to differentiate an actual cult from other "normal" religions, the stuff scientologists get up to puts them outside the pale as regards to just being a religion.
 

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Can't treat different faiths differently if you want to be a liberal democracy. Them's the rules. Varadkar is quite right to give this a wide berth.

FF reverting to their backward tribal impulses effectively seeking to brand certain groups as "heretics". In 2017 :lol:
The only thing Scientology believes in is tax evasion. That does make them a problem for the state.
 

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Can't treat different faiths differently if you want to be a liberal democracy. Them's the rules. Varadkar is quite right to give this a wide berth.

FF reverting to their backward tribal impulses effectively seeking to brand certain groups as "heretics". In 2017 :lol:
FF reverts to tribalism as always,while great republicans like Lemass, Hillery, Aiken look on ?


 

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Scientology fleeces financially the victims who are wealthy enough that it lets join. If a political opponent proposed to raise taxes and empty out a citizens pockets, the same Dr Leo would be jumping up and down about protecting those who get up early in the morning.
They give money willingly, just like the auld wans that leave houses to the church hoping it'll get them into heaven.
 

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FG have become far too tolerant over the last decade. First they let in gay marriage, then they're allowing an abortion referendum, now their leader (who isn't even WHITE) is preaching religious tolerance? This is not the Ireland I grew up in man. Down with this sort of thing.
It really is a bit much.
 

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They give money willingly, just like the auld wans that leave houses to the church hoping it'll get them into heaven.
like Christina Gallagher outfit on Achill island ?
 
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I don't like any organised religion but you have to differentiate an actual cult from other "normal" religions
Suggesting that the (secular) state should attempt to "grade" different groups beliefs is a pretty shocking suggestion frankly. Unless crimes are committed its not really the state's affair.

Just file them all under "religion" which keeps them all out of the legal system completely.
 

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It really is a bit much.
Sync is repeating the thoughts of the wicked fash that are residing in his head. His opposition to them is his claim to his virtuous nobility.

The state can't proscribe a group of people who associate together freely unless there's an actual and evidential serious breach of the law. The state can, however, caution and inform the public of the patterns of behaviour that indicate abusive and exploitative groups.

We are not idiots and there is a responsibility on us to exercise wisdom. The world is not a safe place, it is naive to think that the same standards of conduct that pertain within close established communities are universally applicable, such standards of conduct are a product of developed relationships that are policed. Be as innocent as a lamb and as wise as a serpent is no empty phrase.

As for scientology, there is considerable reason for us to be wary of them.

'The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society ; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings.'

Can you identify any other influential secret societies in contemporary Irish society?
 

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The state can't proscribe a group of people who associate together freely unless there's an actual and evidential serious breach of the law. The state can, however, caution and inform the public of the patterns of behaviour that indicate abusive and exploitative groups.
By this logic, there's a few religions you'd get to in Ireland before Scientology.
 


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