Varadkar gives broad speech on EU changes,wants more infrastructural spending allowed

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The Irish Times has some advance copy of a speech later today

Varadkar says EU could become
The EU risks falling behind Donald Trump’s America and could become a “museum piece” unless it allows member states spend more on infrastructure, according to Minister for Social Protection Leo Varadkar .

Mr Varadkar is scheduled to give a speech in Brussels on Thursday in which he will argue that the EU needs to relax its fiscal rules and allow more spending on long-term projects.

He will say that unless the EU broadly acts to assuage the concerns of citizens across the continent, the future of the Union is at risk.
The speech is outside his brief , so Kenny would likely have had to approve it
The talking points look well stated,and with the world darkening, it would be nice to have a good EU
As Kenny had to approve it, there's an economic ask in it, as happens... I think the call for more nuanced rules on infrastructural spending is correct...but...Ireland has a bad rep for begging bowl/strokes/avarice/green jersey gombeenism ...so Leo will have an uphill battle on getting it heeded

It plainly sets out his leadership stall ... will be interesting to see what happens after the Christmas break...one hopes that the country has noticed that it is being led by a stroke pulling wally...who appears to have little if any moral values or leadership competence (bar holding on)

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Just leave that god-damn crappy union and do what the hell you like Ireland.

Stop trying to being the best boy in the class all the time.
 

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By far the funniest thing to emerge from the Fine Gael Big Box of Bullsh1t a few years back was that the Troika was 'gone' from Irish economic affairs. Completely untrue of course as Ireland is pretty much straitjacketed in what it can do in terms of spending for the foreseeable future.

So Fine Gael ministers mooting a relaxation of spending restrictions always makes me smile as that's the only way they are obliquely allowed to refer to the bailout terms and conditions in Ireland which are of course in force and will remain in force for quite a long time I suspect.

I suspect the Troika which includes the ECB will be well aware that Varadkar's paen to to economic progress will be based on the usual Irish governmental desire to splash the cash on construction industry contracts which would allow Irish government ministers to get on their hind legs and electorally keen on the subject of increased 'growt'.

Irish governments to the EU (read ECB) are a bit like the daughter whose Daddy had to take the credit card off her, help her pay down the large balance she'd allowed to get out of control and now that there is spending available on the card wants Daddy to give her the card back.

Daddy is unlikely to be convinced that the daughter is a reformed character at this stage.
 

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“In a more multi-polar world, liberal democratic European values are now much clearer and distinct from those that dominate in the US, Russia, China and the Middle East.”
Examples of this include opposition to the death penalty, equality for women, the disabled and LGBT people, and the European social model of healthcare, education and childcare.
News to LGBT people in Poland. At least the US has ssm in all 50 states. Even Germany doesnt have SSM.

The disabled? Why havent you ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, 10 years after the FF govt signed up to it? Maybe because FG are promarily concerned with tax cutting for the upper-middle and upper classes.

I have an elderly mother who had another fall last night and has difficulty holding items without dropping them. Her hearing and eyesight are also poor. Instead of tax cutting help her and those like her by restoring home help that was cut in successive budgets and tackle long waiting times for hearing aids,

On infrastructure I agree with Varadkar. It is a bit ironic though given that when he was Transport Minister is when the Wexford People started floating that Wexford station might close.
 

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Absolutely agree. Countries like Spain splashed huge cash on infrastructure and are in a much better position now as a result. Spain is utterly transformed, one can cross from one end of the, quite large, country to the other on high speed rail in 4 hours, all the Cities have modern water infrastructure and excellent public transport. Spain now also recycles it's sewer water for irrigation in the scorched south. The standard of infrastructure will really be the foundation of Spain's recovery. Ireland wasted it's cash on bloating the public service and making unemployment competitive with middle class living. Ireland needs to up it's game.
 

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Absolutely agree. Countries like Spain splashed huge cash on infrastructure and are in a much better position now as a result. Spain is utterly transformed, one can cross from one end of the, quite large, country to the other on high speed rail in 4 hours, all the Cities have modern water infrastructure and excellent public transport. Spain now also recycles it's sewer water for irrigation in the scorched south. The standard of infrastructure will really be the foundation of Spain's recovery. Ireland wasted it's cash on bloating the public service and making unemployment competitive with middle class living. Ireland needs to up it's game.
Huge amounts of that was paid for by the EU. In fact, the majority of infrastructure spending across Europe has an EU funded component.
 

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Huge amounts of that was paid for by the EU. In fact, the majority of infrastructure spending across Europe has an EU funded component.
which is fantastic, Ireland didn't get on that bandwagon for some reason.
 

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Lets pile more debt on the people. :roll:
 

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Lets pile more debt on the people. :roll:
If the debt costs next to nothing to service and the money borrowed radically improves our economic competitiveness and attracts more investment as a result, then yes.
 
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The Italians will support him on this issue. They're keen to be allowed do some capital spending that doesn't count towards the budget deficit.
 

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which is fantastic, Ireland didn't get on that bandwagon for some reason.
We did. All those shiny signs with blue stars on them and the words 'part-funded by EU....'? They're everywhere.

Or maybe you don't get out much.
 

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This FG govt had money to spend in the last budget, but allocated zippo of it to infrastructure spending. Instead it went on PS 'pay restoration', bribing pensioners and tax loopholes.
 

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We did. All those shiny signs with blue stars on them and the words 'part-funded by EU....'? They're everywhere.

Or maybe you don't get out much.
Yeah Ireland's motorway projects. A teeny tiny investment by European standards that done next to nothing to improve the competitiveness of Irish cities. Spain got the everything and the kitchen sink
 

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This FG govt had money to spend in the last budget, but allocated zippo of it to infrastructure spending. Instead it went on PS 'pay restoration', bribing pensioners and tax loopholes.
Really silly populism. Multi nationals will start locating in Amsterdam instead. Nearly the same tax regime + excellent infrastructure, proximity to mush bigger markets, equal command of the English language and a hub airport.
 

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By far the funniest thing to emerge from the Fine Gael Big Box of Bullsh1t a few years back was that the Troika was 'gone' from Irish economic affairs. Completely untrue of course as Ireland is pretty much straitjacketed in what it can do in terms of spending for the foreseeable future.

So Fine Gael ministers mooting a relaxation of spending restrictions always makes me smile as that's the only way they are obliquely allowed to refer to the bailout terms and conditions in Ireland which are of course in force and will remain in force for quite a long time I suspect.

I suspect the Troika which includes the ECB will be well aware that Varadkar's paen to to economic progress will be based on the usual Irish governmental desire to splash the cash on construction industry contracts which would allow Irish government ministers to get on their hind legs and electorally keen on the subject of increased 'growt'.

Irish governments to the EU (read ECB) are a bit like the daughter whose Daddy had to take the credit card off her, help her pay down the large balance she'd allowed to get out of control and now that there is spending available on the card wants Daddy to give her the card back.

Daddy is unlikely to be convinced that the daughter is a reformed character at this stage.
i would like to think you are correct, however if as before the eu relaxes spending rule to help keep the shinners in their place then the trousering party will be allowed to spend, they were given rein the budget before the last election
 

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Really silly populism. Multi nationals will start locating in Amsterdam instead. Nearly the same tax regime + excellent infrastructure, proximity to mush bigger markets, equal command of the English language and a hub airport.
the op is correct, they got an allowance of 1.5b over the limit, what did they do with it
 

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Yeah Ireland's motorway projects. A teeny tiny investment by European standards that done next to nothing to improve the competitiveness of Irish cities. Spain got the everything and the kitchen sink
plus no wrap on the nuckles for over spending, in case the left made increases
 

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With the departure of the UK, we are going to be putting more into the pot and taking less out of the pot. The UK was one of the principal contributor nations.

Not only that but the EU is going to be forcing more pozzed stuff on us, more migration and so on.

It's all downhill from here basically. Time to get out.
 

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The Irish Times has some advance copy of a speech later today

Varadkar says EU could become


The speech is outside his brief , so Kenny would likely have had to approve it
The talking points look well stated,and with the world darkening, it would be nice to have a good EU
As Kenny had to approve it, there's an economic ask in it, as happens... I think the call for more nuanced rules on infrastructural spending is correct...but...Ireland has a bad rep for begging bowl/strokes/avarice/green jersey gombeenism ...so Leo will have an uphill battle on getting it heeded

It plainly sets out his leadership stall ... will be interesting to see what happens after the Christmas break...one hopes that the country has noticed that it is being led by a stroke pulling wally...who appears to have little if any moral values or leadership competence (bar holding on)

cyp
If we are in we should be constructive and Leo is being just that. We need to build alliances to get austerity toned down. If we are going to be in we should be moving to take power away from governments and give more to Brussels to stop us being bullied by the French and Germans.
 


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