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Varadkar: If there is a hard Brexit, the border would require police and army presence


recedite

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McCann put it quite simply in an interview with Pat Kenny on Newstalk the other morning. He said any infrastructure on the border, even just cameras, would be shot at. People would need to be brought in to protect that infrastructure. Then they too would be shot at.
That is quite possible. However, if the cameras were in the context of a reasonably seamless "soft" border, with free trade, then we have to ask ourselves would any such shooting be a valid political action, or would it be just vandalism? That would be if the UK signed a withdrawal deal.

What would your attitude be to somebody shooting up the cameras on the gantry above the M50 toll bridge in Dublin, which divides southsiders from northsiders?

If the UK does not sign a withdrawal deal, and the EU denies them free trade, then why would they want to seal off the border from their side? Its their back door into the single market.
It would have to be guarded by the Irish/EU army. Would they be shot at?
 

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Varadkar ‘contradicting everything we have been told’ about Brexit – Martin

"Speaking from the Swiss resort of Davos where he is attending the World Economic Forum, Mr Varadkar said in a no-deal scenario, a hard border “would involve customs posts, it would involve people in uniform and it may involve the need, for example, for cameras, physical infrastructure, possibly a police presence or army presence to back it up”.

“The problem with that in the context of Irish politics and history is those things become targets,” the Taoiseach told Bloomberg Television during an interview on Friday."

Varadkar is repeating what Eamon McCann from Derry has been saying since just after the result of the Brexit referendum. McCann put it quite simply in an interview with Pat Kenny on Newstalk the other morning. He said any infrastructure on the border, even just cameras, would be shot at. People would need to be brought in to protect that infrastructure. Then they too would be shot at.

It's a simple but not simplistic explanation of the result of the imposition of border infrastructure, based on the evidence of history.
Which Republican faction will shoot up cameras?
 

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Varadkar ‘contradicting everything we have been told’ about Brexit – Martin

"Speaking from the Swiss resort of Davos where he is attending the World Economic Forum, Mr Varadkar said in a no-deal scenario, a hard border “would involve customs posts, it would involve people in uniform and it may involve the need, for example, for cameras, physical infrastructure, possibly a police presence or army presence to back it up”.

“The problem with that in the context of Irish politics and history is those things become targets,” the Taoiseach told Bloomberg Television during an interview on Friday."

Varadkar is repeating what Eamon McCann from Derry has been saying since just after the result of the Brexit referendum. McCann put it quite simply in an interview with Pat Kenny on Newstalk the other morning. He said any infrastructure on the border, even just cameras, would be shot at. People would need to be brought in to protect that infrastructure. Then they too would be shot at.

It's a simple but not simplistic explanation of the result of the imposition of border infrastructure, based on the evidence of history.
There are ANPR cameras in Derrylin, I don't see them being shot up.
 

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Eh, if there's not a successful border put in place here, the border will have to move to the continent, and it will then affect us nearly as much as the UK. I've only read back a couple of posts, but surely that's obvious. And if there is actually something behind this threat of shooting at infrastructure and those policing it, well it may be a good opportunity to kill two birds with one stone, and remove that type of scum from circulation.
 

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McDonald has it right.
He needs to back this up with a move towards a border poll - and voice strong support for a UI in a hard Brexit scenario.
No way. Fgers don't want a united country. They might have to pay more tax.
 

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Border infrastructure on this island would be a clear invitation for violence. A hard border with the north would be the worst outcome and it should be avoided at all costs, even if that means checks on the continent. Most of our traded goods will be checked anyway as a lot of them go through Britain. Shamefully, we still haven't developed the shipping capability to conduct most of our existing trade directly with continental Europe.
 

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There are ANPR cameras in Derrylin, I don't see them being shot up.
Good. Brexit hasn't happened yet and there has been no change to the status of the border. You must be one of those lads they say are "a bit slow on the uptake".
 

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That is quite possible. However, if the cameras were in the context of a reasonably seamless "soft" border, with free trade, then we have to ask ourselves would any such shooting be a valid political action, or would it be just vandalism? That would be if the UK signed a withdrawal deal.

What would your attitude be to somebody shooting up the cameras on the gantry above the M50 toll bridge in Dublin, which divides southsiders from northsiders?

If the UK does not sign a withdrawal deal, and the EU denies them free trade, then why would they want to seal off the border from their side? Its their back door into the single market.
It would have to be guarded by the Irish/EU army. Would they be shot at?
Under WTO rules the UK would have to impose a border from their side.
 

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That is quite possible. However, if the cameras were in the context of a reasonably seamless "soft" border, with free trade, then we have to ask ourselves would any such shooting be a valid political action, or would it be just vandalism? That would be if the UK signed a withdrawal deal.

What would your attitude be to somebody shooting up the cameras on the gantry above the M50 toll bridge in Dublin, which divides southsiders from northsiders?

If the UK does not sign a withdrawal deal, and the EU denies them free trade, then why would they want to seal off the border from their side? Its their back door into the single market.
It would have to be guarded by the Irish/EU army. Would they be shot at?
It doesn't matter if it's valid or vandalism. History indicates that it will happen. It's a slippery slope to another war. That's exactly what the Good Friday agreement was designed to prevent.
 

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As the Bette Davis said in that classic old film " Fasten your seatbelts. We're in for a bumpy ride!"
 

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Suggest that people read the piece in full before going off on a DUP rant.
He refers to a "worst case scenario" leading to this.
I'm no fan of Varadkar or of this government, but I think they've played their Brexit hand quite skillfully.
The reason they don't want infrastructure along the border is that it will be a target for and rallying point for the south Armagh criminal gangs who will attack custom posts as symbols of occupation while endangering the livelihoods of southern farmers by smuggling hormone laden beef across the border. In the past southern customs officers were attacked in border pubs, police and most likely army protection will be needed to protect southern officials from local patriots. Better for all if checks are made elsewhere.
 

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The reason they don't want infrastructure along the border is that it will be a target for and rallying point for the south Armagh criminal gangs who will attack custom posts as symbols of occupation while endangering the livelihoods of southern farmers by smuggling hormone laden beef across the border. In the past southern customs officers were attacked in border pubs, police and most likely army protection will be needed to protect southern officials from local patriots. Better for all if checks are made elsewhere.

Appears your nurse has gone asleep pal.:D
 

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Eh, if there's not a successful border put in place here, the border will have to move to the continent, and it will then affect us nearly as much as the UK. I've only read back a couple of posts, but surely that's obvious. And if there is actually something behind this threat of shooting at infrastructure and those policing it, well it may be a good opportunity to kill two birds with one stone, and remove that type of scum from circulation.
:roflmao:

"Remove the scum from circulation" jesus but p.ie wannabe-fascist loopers don't have a clue. Have you ever been within 100 miles of the border? Have you ever, in fact, made it any further than the Londis down the street from your damp bedsit?

Despite the fevered fantasies of Sindo readers and p.ie space cadets it won't be some sinister "South Armagh criminal gang" that will be vandalising border infrastructure.

It'll be pretty much every single person that lives within 20 miles of so of the border on either side. About a million people, give or take. Every group of ten-year-olds will be competing for who can pull off the most daring 3am paintbomb attack during the long lazy summer holidays. Truck and van drivers will ignore and abuse whatever poor sod is trying to carry out customs checks. Groups of respectable teachers, lawyers, farmers, small businessmen will assemble in the dead of night to set things on fire. The ordinary people of the border region will make this an impossible, unworkable situation for any b'stard fncker that tries to put any sort of border back up.

You socially-alienated fnckwits have no idea whatsoever how actual real people feel about this. Despite being repeatedly told otherwise, you cling to your deranged fantasies of some shadowy IRA supervillain council in a secret bunker under the Mournes, plotting and directing their sinister anti-Brexit campaign.

Not. Got. A. Clue.
 

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:roflmao:

"Remove the scum from circulation" jesus but p.ie wannabe=-fascist loopers don't have a clue. Have you ever been within 100 miles of the border? Have you ever, in fact, made it any further than the Londis down the street from your damp bedsit?

Despite the fevered fantasies of Sindo readers and p.ie space cadets it won't be some sinister "South Armagh criminal gang" that will be vandalising border infrastructure.

It'll be pretty much every single person that lives within 20 miles of so of the border on either side. About a million people, give or take. Every group of ten-year-olds will be competing for who can pull off the most daring 3am paintbomb attack during the long lazy summer holidays. Truck and van drivers will ignore and abuse whatever poor sod is trying to carry out customs checks. Groups of respectable teachers, lawyers, farmers, small businessmen will assemble in the dead of night to set things on fire. The ordinary people of the border region will make this an impossible, unworkable situation for any b'stard fncker that tries to put any sort of border back up.

You socially-alienated fnckwits have no idea whatsoever how actual real people feel about this. Despite being repeatedly told otherwise, you cling to your deranged fantasies of some shadowy IRA supervillain council in a secret bunker under the Mournes, plotting and directing their sinister anti-Brexit campaign.

Not. Got. A. Clue.

Concur sir, not much can I add to that realisation of fact.
 

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:roflmao:

You socially-alienated fnckwits have no idea whatsoever how actual real people feel about this. Despite being repeatedly told otherwise, you cling to your deranged fantasies of some shadowy IRA supervillain council in a secret bunker under the Mournes, plotting and directing their sinister anti-Brexit campaign.

Not. Got. A. Clue.
"Broadsword" calling "Danny Boy".
"Broadsword" calling "Danny Boy".

"Would you stop giving away our secrets, ffs!"
 

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"Broadsword" calling "Danny Boy".
"Broadsword" calling "Danny Boy".

"Would you stop giving away our secrets, ffs!"

When the Brit press blame SF for the loss of jobs and income in England after a no deal, the Irish government need to grow balls and demand unification, failure to do so will be a complete disaster for the peace process.
 

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When the Brit press blame SF for the loss of jobs and income in England after a no deal, the Irish government need to grow balls and demand unification, failure to do so will be a complete disaster for the peace process.
On the comments sections of most Brit media, the Brexiteer lunatics have been screaming for months that Fine Gael are IRA sympathisers and in cahoots with SF to attack poor noble Britain, on the orders of the IRA, and Leo's government are reliant on/scared of losing IRA support :roflmao: :roflmao:

Britain is fecked, no matter what happens with Brexit. Half their population are clinically insane, and most of the others are retarded. Their media and culture is vacuous and toxic, their political system archaic and unfit for purpose, their economy unproductive and backward, they've burned up all their global diplomatic goodwill. Even if they somehow mange to stumble to the end of this Brexit process with some sort of functioning EU deal, their entire society and economy is in long-term terminal collapse.

Within 10 years or so, most of England will look just like the society depicted in A Clockwork Orange
 

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There are ANPR cameras in Derrylin, I don't see them being shot up.
Good. Brexit hasn't happened yet and there has been no change to the status of the border. You must be one of those lads they say are "a bit slow on the uptake".
Good. Brexit hasn't happened yet and there has been no change to the status of the border. You must be one of those lads they say are "a bit slow on the uptake".

Are the dissos already making notes of what cameras are in operation on the border now to know which cameras not to shoot after a Hard Brexit?
 

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Are the dissos already making notes of what cameras are in operation on the border now to know which cameras not to shoot after a Hard Brexit?
I was making the point that a lot of this stuff is already there. As I posted on another thread all passports are scanned at Dublin Airport, including CTA arrivals.
Maybe those pontificating on the border N/S and E/W should cross it and see what is happening already.
 
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