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Varadkar: If there is a hard Brexit, the border would require police and army presence


TweetyBird

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I'm sure Greece had a veto and they threatened to expel them.

It's Germany and Frances ball and they can take it home any time they want.
Greece faced expulsion from the euro, not the EU. 2 devastating world wars fought in France and Germany, with all the horrors that such actually means, is the reason they will not force their will on other nations. Given their size they have considerable influence of course but we've rejected the model of prior to WW1 where large imperial powers imposed their will on others.
 

Newrybhoy

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Greece faced expulsion from the euro, not the EU. 2 devastating world wars fought in France and Germany, with all the horrors that such actually means, is the reason they will not force their will on other nations. Given their size they have considerable influence of course but we've rejected the model of prior to WW1 where large imperial powers imposed their will on others.
Bank bailout ring any bells?
 

Newrybhoy

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Northern rock ring any bells?
The UK dealt with its own problems.

The EU told you what to do and had to sign off on what you were allowed to spend for a decade.

Had you not took on all that debt which is still hanging around your neck, they'd have expelled you.
 

TweetyBird

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The UK dealt with its own problems.

The EU told you what to do and had to sign off on what you were allowed to spend for a decade.

Had you not took on all that debt which is still hanging around your neck, they'd have expelled you.
The ECB not the EU for starters. And each country where a bank was based ponied up first, and then received loans from other countries. Domestic stupidity, whether lax banking regulation, property ponzi schemes generating temporary sources of extra tax. If Greece, Ireland or any other country didn't want to play by ECB rules, then right to expel from Euro, but none of them did.

Ireland behaved very stupidly back then, a sort of national idiocy took hold that we were special and things would forever keep growing. Of course we were disabused of this stupidity quite quickly. The UK is going through it's own moment and will in its own time recognise the self inflicted folly. Others will continue to blame everyone else bar themselves but they're a deluded minority.
 

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Ireland is not doing the negotiating, the EU is. In order, Ireland's interests are
1. No border.
2. Good Trade deal.
The EU have made plain that 1 comes before 2.
I would make it plain to the EU that 1. comes as a result of 2.
Without 2. there can be no 1.

At this stage both Varadkar and Coveney both know that, and they know their gamble has failed. The day the UK parliament voted down the WA by a 2:1 majority was the proof of that, for those who still needed it.
The second he or his government are not representing Irish interests is the day he's politically dead.
That day has already passed.
 

death or glory

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I would make it plain to the EU that 1. comes as a result of 2.
Without 2. there can be no 1.

At this stage both Varadkar and Coveney both know that, and they know their gamble has failed. The day the UK parliament voted down the WA by a 2:1 majority was the proof of that, for those who still needed it.

That day has already passed.
All so very true.
 

death or glory

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Ireland is not doing the negotiating, the EU is. In order, Ireland's interests are
1. No border.
2. Good Trade deal.

The EU have made plain that 1 comes before 2. Indeed I find it disturbing the lack of interest from unionist parties to defend GFA, the very basis for peace the past 20 years. Why are unionists so willing to undermine politics on the island and leaving oxygen for nutters?
Us Unionists first and foremost want to protect the constitutional.identity of Northern Ireland within the UK.
Having a backstop where we can't ever leave the stated position unless agreed by the whole EU is unconstitutional and arrogant.
By the way a fart would leave Oxygen for the Disso's,
There's always an excuse for wetting the bed.
 

McSlaggart

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Us Unionists first and foremost want to protect the constitutional.identity of Northern Ireland within the UK.
Having a backstop where we can't ever leave the stated position unless agreed by the whole EU is unconstitutional and arrogant.
By the way a fart would leave Oxygen for the Disso's,
There's always an excuse for wetting the bed.
If the Northern Ireland economy is badly damaged by not agreeing to the backstop how do you think it will work out for unionism?
 

death or glory

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If the Northern Ireland economy is badly damaged by not agreeing to the backstop how do you think it will work out for unionism?
Short term pain for long term gain.
No pain no gain.
We'd rather have a No deal than gave away our sovereignty.
 

recedite

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Us Unionists first and foremost want to protect the constitutional.identity of Northern Ireland within the UK.
Having a backstop where we can't ever leave the stated position unless agreed by the whole EU is unconstitutional and arrogant.
And not only that, but that new EU control would in itself be a violation of the GFA, because the GFA guarantees the principal of consent before any change in the constitutional position of NI. This would be the EU seizing control without any consent.

This whole Varadkar-Coveney-Juncker plot shows a disrespect to the residents of NI.

Maybe its something to do with Varadkar never having a girlfriend. I mean, you don't say to a girl "go out with me, or Ill smash your face in". You get the opposite result. And that is what is happening here.
He wants a guarantee of open borders, but he thinks he can get that by threats and blackmail. He has done absolutely nothing to build a relationship.
Whenever the UK suggests some technology or pre-clearance idea to make an open border possible, he immediately says No. But he makes absolutely no constructive suggestions himself.
 

runwiththewind

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Why would we out of our way to help you savages who killed British soldiers in your disgusting bloodlust and ungratefully betrayed us? Yes you better get used to the idea we will do whatever we want as your lot surrendered to the glorious crown forces.

You're very funny.
 

runwiththewind

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It's funny to hear Leo and the foreign minister saying that the WA or backstop is needed to stop a hard border when it is exactly because of that Backstop, that there is going to be A No Deal and the EU will make Ireland enforce the hard border.
No deal. You're having a laugh. The UK will do what the EU wants.
 

runwiththewind

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Or....... Expel the Republic of Ireland from the EU. Job done at a fraction of the cost and no loss whatsoever to the EU(your pitiful nett contribution not withstanding). In fact money that would be massively recouped with being able to tax the MNCs laundering their money in the Republic.
And the mechanism for expelling a country from the EU is.............?
 

runwiththewind

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Heard him tell the Andrew Marr show what the British public should be doing.
Instead of listening to the British public he arrogantly thought he could tell them what to do.
That's what got him into this trouble.
He is causing the problem that he claims they don't want.
What trouble? Coventry wiped the floor with Marr. The UK will do exactly what Ireland and the EU wants. Simples.
 

runwiththewind

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Eire can't hold the UK to ransom.
The farcical argument that a backstop is needed to avoid a hard border when they know having the backstop will make Eire enforce the hard border.

Not ransome. The UK will just do as it's told. You can piss around all you like, the end result will he the backstop.
 

TweetyBird

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I would make it plain to the EU that 1. comes as a result of 2.
Without 2. there can be no 1.

At this stage both Varadkar and Coveney both know that, and they know their gamble has failed. The day the UK parliament voted down the WA by a 2:1 majority was the proof of that, for those who still needed it.

That day has already passed.
No, you're saying that the UK can renege on their agreements and can keep on doing so. The backstop as is, is as far as the EU is willing to compromise. Ultimately, it's all irrelevant because the UK does not know what it wants except the benefits of EU membership without agreeing to the rules. The EU will not facilitate the UK and put it's existence at risk. Indeed a dithering disunited UK is not worth wasting anymore time with. Let them sort out their issues themselves and we get on with ours.
 

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Not ransome. The UK will just do as it's told. You can piss around all you like, the end result will he the backstop.
Well then Eire going to have bring their excuse of an army to guard the border.

The British parliament has spoken and with the Backstop it will be No Deal.

Hilarious a so called fail safe arrangement to prevent a hard border is going to be the reason for the hard border in a months time.
#buildthewall
 

runwiththewind

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Well then Eire going to have bring their excuse of an army to guard the border.

The British parliament has spoken and with the Backstop it will be No Deal.

Hilarious a so called fail safe arrangement to prevent a hard border is going to be the reason for the hard border in a months time.
#buildthewall
Sigh. There will be a backstop for NI. The DUP and unionists will be sacrificed at the alter of the Tory party. It's unionits and the DUP that's preventing GB getting a trade deal.
 
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