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Varadkar on the Eamon & Joan show


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Leo Varadkar was on Ivan Yates' Newstalk programme this morning. He spoke of the "Eamon & Joan show". He said what they are saying is not honest - no tax increases, no spending cuts etc. He said that after an election the real Labour will have to stand up and that hopefully that will be the Labour of Quinn, Sherlock and Rabitte.

A political journalist stated that he had interviewed Gilmore and after a number of minutes of Gilmore saying what he wouldn't do the journalist had listed these things all back to him - no tax increases except top1%, no spending cuts etc etc - and Gilmore said yes to the list.

Varadkar surely has a point when he says that Eamon Gilmore & Joan Burton are being dishonest. Obviously Fianna Fail need to be removed from power at next election but the opposition parties should be honest about what they will do. At present, Labour are not being honest.

Interesting to hear Varadkar attacking Gilmore & Burton and will be interesting to see how vicious the battle between FG and Labour gets in the run up to the next GE.

Finally, it is maybe understandable that Labour are not fully honest as some of the population are not the cleverest and believe that there doesn't have to be any hard calls made. It is a sad state of affairs but maybe you can't be honest and get elected.
 


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Doesn't Enda also live in the same deluded land of magic bean economics? I'd like Varadkar to take his own party leader to task over this "no cuts to this than and the other" nonsense before he attacks the other shower.
 

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Yes, but Fine Gael's policies are just as lousy as Fianna Fail's. I agree, Labour need to stop hiding their policies. At least people can feel some level of hope is they hear them. However, on an academic level, I understand their strategy. Fianna Fail would distract themselves from their own gravedigging if they had Labour policies to attack.

Nevertheless, I am concerned. Labour supported the Croke Park Deal which is now unworkable and have agreed to reduce deficit to 3% by 2014 which is next to impossible. Reading between the lines, we can see where they are going with this one. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 

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Yes, but Fine Gael's policies are just as lousy as Fianna Fail's. I agree, Labour need to stop hiding their policies. At least people can feel some level of hope is they hear them. However, on an academic level, I understand their strategy. Fianna Fail would distract themselves from their own gravedigging if they had Labour policies to attack.
I think it's more to do with the public attacking their policies rather than Fianna Fail. If, as one suspects, they're about taxing the crap out of everyone who isn't a public sector worker, dole scrounger or union member then it's pretty much understandable that they would want to hide it. That said, as you suggest below "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" because that's pretty much what FF/Greenies are doing now.

Nevertheless, I am concerned. Labour supported the Croke Park Deal which is now unworkable and have agreed to reduce deficit to 3% by 2014 which is next to impossible. Reading between the lines, we can see where they are going with this one. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 

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If Labour come out with their policies now every edition of The Sunday Independent between now and the election would focus on attacking and distorting Labour's plans. As Labour appears to be the chosen destination for most ex-FF voters the plan would be to scare them back to the fold.

I won't be a Labour voter but I think they are right not to show their hand until closer to an election. The government are in power. Until an election is called their's are the only policies that matter.
 

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Interesting to hear Varadkar attacking Gilmore & Burton and will be interesting to see how vicious the battle between FG and Labour gets in the run up to the next GE.
There will be skin and hair flying, particularly at local level. As it should be.
 

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If Labour come out with their policies now every edition of The Sunday Independent between now and the election would focus on attacking and distorting Labour's plans.
Boo-f**king-hoo.

I won't be a Labour voter but I think they are right not to show their hand until closer to an election. The government are in power. Until an election is called their's are the only policies that matter.
WTF?
 

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Hey cookie you do realise that us PS workers pay tax on our income the same as the next man so if labour\fine Gael\monster raving looney party decide to increase tax we will get the same cut as you. I am under no illusions about cuts coming down the line and noone is going to be spared rich or poor private or public.
 

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Leo Varadkar was on Ivan Yates' Newstalk programme this morning. He spoke of the "Eamon & Joan show". He said what they are saying is not honest - no tax increases, no spending cuts etc. He said that after an election the real Labour will have to stand up and that hopefully that will be the Labour of Quinn, Sherlock and Rabitte.
Finally someone in FG realises the seriousness of the Labour threat. I wouldn't think he has any particular gra for Rabbitte and Quinn but you would know exactly where you stood with them. Gilmore and Burton are simply cowardly.
 

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Labour should put detailed policies out now, so they can be compared to the Governments (due in 6 weeks for the budget) and FG (presumably also due in 6 weeks given Noonan was non commital on Morning Ireland as to when they'd publish theirs).
 

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Boo-hoo would be the FG response. Labour are simply playing a better tactical game. When the media are in the tank for FF then Labour are right to play their own game.

Can anyone offer an example in the history of the state where Fianna Fail in opposition made a single constructive proposal or a single proposal that was going to cost anybody money. We are talking about the party that opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement!

Nothing that helps Fianna Fail is good. Labour are right.
 

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Boo-hoo would be the FG response. Labour are simply playing a better tactical game. When the media are in the tank for FF then Labour are right to play their own game.

Can anyone offer an example in the history of the state where Fianna Fail in opposition made a single constructive proposal or a single proposal that was going to cost anybody money. We are talking about the party that opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement!

Nothing that helps Fianna Fail is good. Labour are right.
And what happens when Labour gets into power?
 

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Hey cookie you do realise that us PS workers pay tax on our income the same as the next man so if labour\fine Gael\monster raving looney party decide to increase tax we will get the same cut as you. I am under no illusions about cuts coming down the line and noone is going to be spared rich or poor private or public.
No you don't it's simply a very expensive accounting trick, money leaves the DOF goes to whatever dept you're working in has to be administered there and the "tax" is deducted and returned to the DOF where further admin costs are incurred. It's the civil service version of transfer pricing which is regarded by most people outside this country as sharp practice at the very least.PS salaries should only ever be declared in terms of takehome pay. Regardless of anything else private enterprise must generate the money to pay your wage.
 

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I won't be a Labour voter but I think they are right not to show their hand until closer to an election. The government are in power. Until an election is called their's are the only policies that matter.
now's the time to make the general support they have concrete.
people are crying out for an inspiring opposition.
frankly they're slowly painting themselves into a corner.

we don't even have the hope of someone getting us out of this mess to cling to.
smart economy my hole.
it's all a load of blizz blazz.
 

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No you don't it's simply a very expensive accounting trick, money leaves the DOF goes to whatever dept you're working in has to be administered there and the "tax" is deducted and returned to the DOF where further admin costs are incurred. It's the civil service version of transfer pricing which is regarded by most people outside this country as sharp practice at the very least.PS salaries should only ever be declared in terms of takehome pay. Regardless of anything else private enterprise must generate the money to pay your wage.
yip, a public sector friend always says 'I have to pay my taxes too!'
I never say back to her: 'and who pays for the bit you take home?'
 

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Boo-hoo would be the FG response. Labour are simply playing a better tactical game. When the media are in the tank for FF then Labour are right to play their own game.

Can anyone offer an example in the history of the state where Fianna Fail in opposition made a single constructive proposal or a single proposal that was going to cost anybody money. We are talking about the party that opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement!

Nothing that helps Fianna Fail is good. Labour are right.
It's not simply a case of them not releasing their polices. It's also a case of them being disingenuous. Supporting 3%, but opposing everything that could bring Ireland down to that level isn't right and I hope the Irish people do pull them up on it.

On Fianna Fail, yes they are scum. Pure and simple, but Labour or Fine Gael for that matter dropping down to that level obviously isn't good. We need to destroy Fianna Fail and most of what Fianna Fail stood for politically if we are ever to recover from this. Replacing Fianna Fail with a Labour Party who take on all their characteristics isn't going to do Ireland any good.
 

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Interesting to hear Leo saying he would gladly take a paycut if others did also, meanng those public servants with whom politicians wages are benchmarked. Terms of Croke Park Deal states that no public servant salary cuts will be implemented, hence no reduction in TDs salaries. Surprise , surprise, the poor lads would be willing to take a paycut but can't.
 

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No you don't it's simply a very expensive accounting trick, money leaves the DOF goes to whatever dept you're working in has to be administered there and the "tax" is deducted and returned to the DOF where further admin costs are incurred. It's the civil service version of transfer pricing which is regarded by most people outside this country as sharp practice at the very least.PS salaries should only ever be declared in terms of takehome pay. Regardless of anything else private enterprise must generate the money to pay your wage.
Grand so! I earned 56% of my "imaginary" gross wage two years ago. Now I earn 49% of my "imaginary" gross wage. Obviously it's not a pay cut and I am in fact creaming it.
Technically speaking you are of course correct but at the end of the week my pay cheque will have the same percentage less than yours if they increase taxation.
 

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yip, a public sector friend always says 'I have to pay my taxes too!'
I never say back to her: 'and who pays for the bit you take home?'
The private sector does for services rendered. Some good, some mediocre
 

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Leo Varadkar was on Ivan Yates' Newstalk programme this morning. He spoke of the "Eamon & Joan show". He said what they are saying is not honest - no tax increases, no spending cuts etc. He said that after an election the real Labour will have to stand up and that hopefully that will be the Labour of Quinn, Sherlock and Rabitte.

A political journalist stated that he had interviewed Gilmore and after a number of minutes of Gilmore saying what he wouldn't do the journalist had listed these things all back to him - no tax increases except top1%, no spending cuts etc etc - and Gilmore said yes to the list.

Varadkar surely has a point when he says that Eamon Gilmore & Joan Burton are being dishonest. Obviously Fianna Fail need to be removed from power at next election but the opposition parties should be honest about what they will do. At present, Labour are not being honest.

Interesting to hear Varadkar attacking Gilmore & Burton and will be interesting to see how vicious the battle between FG and Labour gets in the run up to the next GE.

Finally, it is maybe understandable that Labour are not fully honest as some of the population are not the cleverest and believe that there doesn't have to be any hard calls made. It is a sad state of affairs but maybe you can't be honest and get elected.
Will Varadkar be in the next Dail I wonder. FG, in the person of Lucinda Creighton, have been attacking the MW and they seem to be more hostile to PS workers than Lenihan is. Both positions will cost votes. They're not going to get too many transfers from FF and now our friend is doing all he can to alienate Lab voters to kill off the transfer supply from them. Maybe he misses the day job.
 

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