Varadkar playing chicken

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.....will he get run over?



"we need to seriously question if we’re going to have a Withdrawal Agreement. We need to have that backstop because that ensures that there will be no hard border on our island. If the United Kingdom wants to put forward alternatives to that; whether it’s an alternative text to the backstop, or some sort of alternative future relationship between the UK and the EU, we’re willing to examine that but we need to see it written down in black and white," he warned.

Putting all his chips on "the backstop" despite the EU admitting that the backstop position is flawed.



https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/taoiseach-casts-doubt-on-future-of-brexit-talks-36916170.html
 


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Well yes, the way the UK is going, they may not manage a withdrawal agreement...in which instance we need a bilateral treaty with the UK to clarify:
Border
Freedom of movement
Goods and services

Cyp
 

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The only flaw in the backstop is that the UK may not respect it, just as it has tried to disown their commitment to it last December.

But ultimately we're toying the Brexiters fantasies at this stage. What they want is impossible and while they talk a lot of talk they have no desire to take back control of their border in Ireland nor have they prepared for a hard customs regime in Dover port when both Rotterdam ad Dublin are well down that path.

Their desire to leave the EU hasn't diminished but their will for a hard Brexit diminishes as the reality gets closer and the EU threatens to pull down the shutter on talks sooner rather than later so it can prepare together for a hard Brexit. We have nothing to gain feeding oxygen to the current Tory bun fight. When the shutters come down they'll only go up again when a realistic UK administration knocks.
 

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Well yes, the way the UK is going, they may not manage a withdrawal agreement...in which instance we need a bilateral treaty with the UK to clarify:
Border
Freedom of movement
Goods and services

Cyp
Not possible. If the UK crashes out, they are subject to WTO rules and that means (a) there must be a hard border because the EU has to preserve the integrity of its market and (b) the UK cannot negotiate a side deal with a member state.
 

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For a moment I thought this was another abortion thread.
 

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Not possible. If the UK crashes out, they are subject to WTO rules and that means (a) there must be a hard border because the EU has to preserve the integrity of its market and (b) the UK cannot negotiate a side deal with a member state.
Indeed Ireland severly underplayed its hand in Brexit.

After the Brexit vote should have just said we will wait and see how the withdrawal talks go before deciding our future in EU. Even if no intention to leave.

Would have had both EU and UK fawning over us and giving all sorts of goodies. As it by declaring our hand so early, we are just an EU puppet in these "negotiations" now.
 

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Indeed Ireland severly underplayed its hand in Brexit.

After the Brexit vote should have just said we will wait and see how the withdrawal talks go before deciding our future in EU. Even if no intention to leave.

Would have had both EU and UK fawning over us and giving all sorts of goodies. As it by declaring our hand so early, we are just an EU puppet in these "negotiations" now.
The EU negotiates on behalf of the EU. There is no way Ireland is going to leave the EU. Dream on.
 

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.....will he get run over?



"we need to seriously question if we’re going to have a Withdrawal Agreement. We need to have that backstop because that ensures that there will be no hard border on our island. If the United Kingdom wants to put forward alternatives to that; whether it’s an alternative text to the backstop, or some sort of alternative future relationship between the UK and the EU, we’re willing to examine that but we need to see it written down in black and white," he warned.

Putting all his chips on "the backstop" despite the EU admitting that the backstop position is flawed.

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/taoiseach-casts-doubt-on-future-of-brexit-talks-36916170.html
Any links to that assertion?

All options are flawed when it comes to Brexit but when it comes to the 3 options currently 'in play' it's the backstop (Option C) that makes the most sense from an EU perspective in order to prevent a border...

Options A & B have been rejected by the EU although that message doesn't seem to have gotten through to London.

As for Varadkar saying there are real risks of no deal - if he didn't do that and there was no deal everyone would be b!tching and moaning about not having been warned...

And the way the Brits are going it's looking like either the cliff edge or abandoning Brexit... so it's probably 50/50
 

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Any links to that assertion?

All options are flawed when it comes to Brexit but when it comes to the 3 options currently 'in play' it's the backstop (Option C) that makes the most sense from an EU perspective in order to prevent a border...

Options A & B have been rejected by the EU although that message doesn't seem to have gotten through to London.
The UK will either capitulate or go into a no-deal cliff-edge Brexit by March 2019.
 

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.....will he get run over?



"we need to seriously question if we’re going to have a Withdrawal Agreement. We need to have that backstop because that ensures that there will be no hard border on our island. If the United Kingdom wants to put forward alternatives to that; whether it’s an alternative text to the backstop, or some sort of alternative future relationship between the UK and the EU, we’re willing to examine that but we need to see it written down in black and white," he warned.

Putting all his chips on "the backstop" despite the EU admitting that the backstop position is flawed.



https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/taoiseach-casts-doubt-on-future-of-brexit-talks-36916170.html
Tragically for the doomsters of p.ie, the noises coming out of London this week would lead one to believe that the Irish government have played a blinder on Brexit. And yes, I too find that a bit gobsmacking, but compared to the UK politicians, our lot have been the adults in the room all the way through.
 

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Time to put the army on stand by?

But what choice does he have. He needs to pressure the Brits because they are flakes who don't care one jot about the north or unionists. There are more Nigerians in Britain than there are northern Irish unionists.

It's very slow getting across to the unionists that they don't figure anymore.
 

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Better that negotiations fail now if they are going to. Gives us time to prepare for a 'North Cyprus' border model.

Time for the Gov to put a tender out for 300km of fencing.
 

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No deal = WTO Rules = Hard border in Ireland = car bombs in Oxford Street.
 

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Indeed Ireland severly underplayed its hand in Brexit.

After the Brexit vote should have just said we will wait and see how the withdrawal talks go before deciding our future in EU. Even if no intention to leave.

Would have had both EU and UK fawning over us and giving all sorts of goodies. As it by declaring our hand so early, we are just an EU puppet in these "negotiations" now.
I agree completely. The una voce with the EU approach taken by the government was a fatal mistake. They seem to think the interests of the EU & the interests of Ireland are exactly the same.
 

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I agree completely. The una voce with the EU approach taken by the government was a fatal mistake. They seem to think the interests of the EU & the interests of Ireland are exactly the same.
The UK has surrendered on every point so far. Signs are the EU side is winning.
 


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