Varadkar wheeled out by the EU tonight yet again to say why an electronic border won't work

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Frances who? Look at the polls, FT - nobody cared. It was a Beltway story.
At the time you cared a lot.

Your contribution at the time, to this website, involved a relentlessly defiant attempt to tell everybody that she was not an incompetent bungler.
 


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The Brits have promised no border, so they could move onto phase 2 negotiations.

When their promise was put into words they backed away from their promise. But now they want phase 2 negotiations to continue when they have thrown their phase 1 commitments in the bin.

Perfidious Albion. Or in other words, lying Brit bastards.

This is now just a blame game. Everybody is going through the motions so somebody else can be blamed.

Lying incompetent Tory bastards. 'twas ever thus.
 

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Who says a hard border is possible now?
It'll happen.

May is scared of Rees Mogg and all the gammons in the ERG.

UK heading for Canada style agreement.

It'll wreck theirbeconomy and ours and putna border in place.
 

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At the time you cared a lot.

Your contribution at the time, to this website, involved a relentlessly defiant attempt to tell everybody that she was not an incompetent bungler.
I don't recall that. I was much more interested in the politics of it.
 

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They were very accurate, yes. Particularly in the US. But anyway FT, if poll after poll by each and every polling company shows FG up 7-10 points since Varadkar became leader, it's safe to say there's probably something in it.
Jesus could you be more wrong petunia ...they were so bad US polling companies conducted an investigation ...here you go
https://www.aapor.org/getattachment...s/AAPOR-2016-Election-Polling-Report.pdf.aspx

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"The 2016 presidential election was a jarring event for polling in the United States. Pre-election
polls fueled high-profile predictions that Hillary Clinton’s likelihood of winning the presidency
was about 90 percent, with estimates ranging from 71 to over 99 percent. When Donald Trump
was declared the winner of the presidency in the early hours of November 9th, it came as a shock
even to his own pollsters (Jacobs and House 2016). There was (and continues to be) widespread
consensus that the polls failed
."

Dont let the door hit you on the way out eh? :roll:
 

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The Brits have promised no border, so they could move onto phase 2 negotiations.

When their promise was put into words they backed away from their promise. But now they want phase 2 negotiations to continue when they have thrown their phase 1 commitments in the bin.

Perfidious Albion. Or in other words, lying Brit bastards.

This is now just a blame game. Everybody is going through the motions so somebody else can be blamed.

Lying incompetent Tory bastards. 'twas ever thus.
Spot on.
 

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Jesus could you be more wrong petunia ...they were so bad US polling companies conducted an investigation ...here you go
https://www.aapor.org/getattachment...s/AAPOR-2016-Election-Polling-Report.pdf.aspx

Opening lines
"The 2016 presidential election was a jarring event for polling in the United States. Pre-election
polls fueled high-profile predictions that Hillary Clinton’s likelihood of winning the presidency
was about 90 percent, with estimates ranging from 71 to over 99 percent. When Donald Trump
was declared the winner of the presidency in the early hours of November 9th, it came as a shock
even to his own pollsters (Jacobs and House 2016). There was (and continues to be) widespread
consensus that the polls failed
."

Dont let the door hit you on the way out eh? :roll:
It was the worst example I can think of of confirmation-bias. The nearest that comes to it was the prediction that the PDs would be wiped out at every Irish election from 1992-2002.
 

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But in all the times Leo refers back to this trip he has not explained once why an electronic solution would not work.

Just waffles like tonight that it certainly can't and reels off stuff about dogs and uniforms.
It's up to May to explain why the current USA/Can border isn't frictionless.
 

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The Brits have promised no border, so they could move onto phase 2 negotiations.

When their promise was put into words they backed away from their promise. But now they want phase 2 negotiations to continue when they have thrown their phase 1 commitments in the bin.

Perfidious Albion. Or in other words, lying Brit bastards.

This is now just a blame game. Everybody is going through the motions so somebody else can be blamed.

Lying incompetent Tory bastards. 'twas ever thus.
Don't forget their belly crawling fifth columnists in our own country.
 

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Jesus could you be more wrong petunia ...they were so bad US polling companies conducted an investigation ...here you go
https://www.aapor.org/getattachment...s/AAPOR-2016-Election-Polling-Report.pdf.aspx

Opening lines
"The 2016 presidential election was a jarring event for polling in the United States. Pre-election
polls fueled high-profile predictions that Hillary Clinton’s likelihood of winning the presidency
was about 90 percent, with estimates ranging from 71 to over 99 percent. When Donald Trump
was declared the winner of the presidency in the early hours of November 9th, it came as a shock
even to his own pollsters (Jacobs and House 2016). There was (and continues to be) widespread
consensus that the polls failed
."

Dont let the door hit you on the way out eh? :roll:
The national polls got the national result well within the margin of error.
 

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The state polls were attrocious especially in the Rust Belt.
Some of them were, yes. But as far as I recall there was very little polling done in those states, so it can't be said that the polls were wrong if they were weeks or months old.
 

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At some stage the Irish government will need to make up it's mind.
The Irish government seems quite steady.

It's the Brits who are coming out with meaningless aspirational bullsh1t and presenting it as detailed policy.
 

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We have a bad record with referendum polling too such as the Enquiries referendum which was supposed to get 70%+ support and was lost.
 

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The Brits have promised no border, so they could move onto phase 2 negotiations.

When their promise was put into words they backed away from their promise. But now they want phase 2 negotiations to continue when they have thrown their phase 1 commitments in the bin.

Perfidious Albion. Or in other words, lying Brit bastards.

This is now just a blame game. Everybody is going through the motions so somebody else can be blamed.

Lying incompetent Tory bastards. 'twas ever thus.
And seriously this was a shock to you ? It was obvious even after phase 1 that it was a completely impossible promise , given to get over a hump and onto the real negotiations .....It was also obvious , despite the platitudes that it was being used by Brussels as just another thing to beat the Brits with but that ultimately it would have no role in the end game

Now
1. Britain gets a deal and Ireland have lost an influential friend and trust has broken down leading to political and social stalemate up North
2. Hard Brexit and 80% of Irish exports need a new route

What most certainly wont happen is the UK will let NI remain outside the rest of the UK post Brexit

And while Leo stakes everything on the border at the north , the economic well being of the country is ignored ....because the Border the really matters is the East West one ...not the North South one .....unless Leo is planning on a bit of Dev style economics :roll:
 


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