Varadkar will not implement hard border in event of hard Brexit

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The Brits are saying no hard border every second day. The minute Varadkar says it it's news! Find me one person who supports a hard border. There is no one.
That is on the context of an agreement-based withdrawal from the EU. But if they crash out none of those commitments hold and all bets are off. And then the EU will insist on a border.
 


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He is saying that even if the Brits crash out of the EU there will be no hard border. What you describe refers to the UK and EU reaching an agreement.
No. Even without an agreement the British have committed to no hard border. Where have they said 'no hard border except in the following circumstances.....' Nowhere. The real question is what do they really want. Behind the extremes on both sides. How many would seriously opt to publically break a major agreemnt, to put a hard border back, to take the UK out of the EU with no deal, to sintigate trouble again in NI, exports collapsing, rather than SM/CU deal or a Irish sea border and squeeze the DUP. Of the hundreds of MP's how many would seriously opt for the doomsday scenario? Maybe ten or twenty? +DUP?
 

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No, there needs to be a backstop to ensure the UK will meet their commitment to maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union.
EU said there would need to be a hard border if UK exited the CU/SM. That is why it offered NI special status to try and avoid that.

Varadkar has basically said he will not respect the CU/SM come what may he won't implement a hard border. This is gold for the Brexiteers. If Ireland won't respect CU/SM, why should UK?
 

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It reads like he is emphatically laying down an endpoint rather than conceding anything.
 
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No. Even without an agreement the British have committed to no hard border. Where have they said 'no hard border except in the following circumstances.....' Nowhere. The real question is what do they really want. Behind the extremes on both sides. How many would seriously opt to publically break a major agreemnt, to put a hard border back, to take the UK out of the EU with no deal, to sintigate trouble again in NI, exports collapsing, rather than SM/CU deal or a Irish sea border and squeeze the DUP. Of the hundreds of MP's how many would seriously opt for the doomsday scenario? Maybe ten or twenty? +DUP?
If there is no deal the entire UK, NI included, will be out. In those circumstances the EU will insist on a hard border whether we or the Brits want one or not.
 

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What if the English renege on their commitment?

It is not beyond them.
In the current climate with Trump putting tarriffs on everything and they have no trade deals in place...?....India have already attached immigration to the UK as part of any potential deal...you can be sure the Chinese will also strike a hard bargain ....

If they want to ignore a market on their doorstep of 460 million people good luck to them....
 

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We had a hard border between the republic and the north in the past. So it’s definately possible. ‘It would be pulled down right away’ ? It’s not a Trump wall. It’s customs posts. Manned by customs officers and police. So who would actually ‘pull it down’ and how?
People who haven't even been born yet will pull it down. IT will become the biggest magnet for everything from civil strife (narches, blockages) to mischevious teenagers to hard core dissidents. It gives the dissidents in particular a whole mission and purpose that doesn't exist right now. Three hundred soft targests out in the middle of rural nowhere. Then security has to be beefed up. Then soliders on the streets. Then the whole cycle is off again because of a British Government reneging on a treaty. Not a chance anyone wants that.
The UK want the impossible best of both worlds. A hard Brexit with full CU/SM terms of access. They'll have to budge on something. So NI is just a board piece. Vardakar is basically saying, well i don't care what you do in order to deny the UK the bargaining chip. So where will they budge. Their main concern is trade, not NI. What will they have to give up to get the best possible deal? NI. Hence an Irish sea border. Ireland want the UK to opt for the soft Brexit remember as do the EU.
 
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It reads like he is emphatically laying down an endpoint rather than conceding anything.

No the interview was on the news.

The interviewer looked shocked at Varadkar's statement and asked him wasn't that a contradiction. Varadkar said no it is my red line.
 

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People who haven't even been born yet will pull it down. IT will become the biggest magnet for everything from civil strife (narches, blockages) to mischevious teenagers to hard core dissidents. It gives the dissidents in particular a whole mission and purpose that doesn't exist right now. Three hundred soft targests out in the middle of rural nowhere. Then security has to be beefed up. Then soliders on the streets. Then the whole cycle is off again because of a British Government reneging on a treaty. Not a chance anyone wants that.
The UK want the impossible best of both worlds. A hard Brexit with full CU/SM terms ofn access. They'll have to budge on something. So NI is just a board piece. Vardakar is basically saying, well i don't care what you do in order to deny the UK the bargaining chip. So where will they budge. Their main concern is trade, not NI. What will they have to give up to get the best possible deal? NI. Hence an Irish sea border. Ireland want the UK to opt for the soft Brexit remember as do the EU.
Irish sea border is an absolute disaster for whole island.
 

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For the slow learners among you...

The first truck load of tariff-free, hormone-laden American beef arriving into the UK will inevitably result in a hard border. The only question is whether it will be east-west or north-south.
 

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Yes is the best solution. Special status for the Free State in United Kingdom.

Would ensure no need for any kind of border on island. Obviously EU happy with this too since they offered a special deal to NI too to maintain the GFA.
We had that for 8 centuries.

Why display your desire for a repetition of that?
 

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For the slow learners among you...

The first truck load of tariff-free, hormone-laden American beef arriving into the UK will inevitably result in a hard border. The only question is whether it will be east-west or north-south.
What would be the point of putting the border in the Irish sea if the beef arrives in Belfast port?
 

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Irish sea border is an absolute disaster for whole island.
It's already there in many ways. Perfect solution. Always was. But back to the negotiation. THe EU want the British to soft Brexit, rigth? So to do that you need the British parliament and public to be faced with a choice and that choice needs top paint Hard Brexit as badly as possoible and Soft Brexist as easy and positively as possible. Of course the Arch Brexiters see this happening hence the fits over the border.
Brexit is happening. It's down to what type and that still has a journey to go. THe British do not want to be back in the NI quagmire becuase of a bloody hard border which they'd alreayd committed to avoid at all costs in all circumstances.
My bet on this one is a waffley version of a CU/CM, slightly reworded with some sectors tariffed to offset FoM so May needs to pick what industries she'll cull. Enough for May to convince most Britons that they got most of their Brexit and enough for the EU to say to it's members that Britain got a good deal but is fundamentally worse off having left by not having any say in the rules any more. And that'll calm everyone down for another ten years.
 

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We had that for 8 centuries.

Why display your desire for a repetition of that?

I am not sure the EU was around 800 years ago nor was it much of a "special" status in the UK. But if you want to keep looking backwards please yourself.
 

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What would be the point of putting the border in the Irish sea if the beef arrives in Belfast port?
The port hard border is fine. It's an all Ireland border.
 

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