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Vatican city age of consent?


Christine Murray

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Someone asked via Twitter about this. So if it's true and purely from a girlie perspective : l don't believe very young catholic girls would have a notion of legal informed consent nor indeed know much about contraceptive options. Shouldn't religions address these problems cos they could be a legal minefield in terms of Children's rights. http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm?12
 


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Well this thread was raised before on a kiddy-fiddler's international forum and it was locked:

cYp
What do you mean "a kiddy-fiddler's international forum"?
 

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What do you mean "a kiddy-fiddler's international forum"?

The forum is a fanclub for "kiddy-fiddler's international" aka The Catholic Church

So naturally they'd like to brush over the fact that rodgered young 'uns don't get justice in the home state

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a bit like the gender neutrality lie. international best practice would look on a just post-pubescent girl as entitled to her education, bodily privacy and safety. This could cause problems with the rape/enforced pregnancy thing. Mostly girls want to go to college and have fun. Sure luckily the biological determinism of male-dominated religious dogma does not prevail.
 

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a bit like the gender neutrality lie. international best practice would look on a just post-pubescent girl as entitled to her education, bodily privacy and safety. This could cause problems with the rape/enforced pregnancy thing. Mostly girls want to go to college and have fun. Sure luckily the biological determinism of male-dominated religious dogma does not prevail.
The "biological determinism" of nature is fairly persistent though.
 

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a bit like the gender neutrality lie. international best practice would look on a just post-pubescent girl as entitled to her education, bodily privacy and safety. This could cause problems with the rape/enforced pregnancy thing. Mostly girls want to go to college and have fun. Sure luckily the biological determinism of male-dominated religious dogma does not prevail.
Dot, you are reading way too much into this. It just so happened to be Italian law. Italy has always been a reasonably conservative society, so I don't know why the age was set so low.
 

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l wonder when our child protection referendum will happen ? The current laws on Statutory rape are confusticated. and Almanac contraception is bloody marvellous , afterall mostly the idea of 'wearing women out with child-bearing' went out with the dinosaurs.
 

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l wonder when our child protection referendum will happen ? The current laws on Statutory rape are confusticated. and Almanac contraception is bloody marvellous , afterall mostly the idea of 'wearing women out with child-bearing' went out with the dinosaurs.
You're being unfair, dot. Just because someone doesn't share your views doesn't mean they're women-hating or wrong.
 
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Dot, you are reading way too much into this. It just so happened to be Italian law. Italy has always been a reasonably conservative society, so I don't know why the age was set so low.
You can't pass this off as a relic of Italian law - the Vatican is a sovereign state.
 

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l am sure FF that both doctrinares and well meaning people would agree with you but the idea of a girl to menopausal woman just being a child-bearer is not good for girls who are as entitled as boys to good education and choice in how they wish to direct their lives.
 

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...the idea of 'wearing women out with child-bearing' went out with the dinosaurs.
In that case, dot, the dinosaurs lasted a wee while longer in Ireland than in many other places!
 

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The Lateran Treaty which set up the Vatican state stipulated that apart from Italian treaties Italian domestic law was automatically adopted into Vatican law. This held until 2008, so the actual age of consent would be 14 ( the current age ) Italian rather than 12.
By all means have a discussion on the merits or otherwise of a universal age of consent but the Vatican angle is a red herring.
 

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l am sure FF that both doctrinares and well meaning people would agree with you but the idea of a girl to menopausal woman just being a child-bearer is not good for girls who are as entitled as boys to good education and choice in how they wish to direct their lives.
+1
 

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Thanks Didimus , so *important* to discuss this stuff with your kids: sex-education, personal safety and contraception ; and ask about the programmes in the schools .
My own experience as a father of 2 girls is not so much that they want to discuss this with you (too mortifying) but that they know that the essential things are that they are kind to themselves and kind to others, that everyone makes mistakes, that nothing is so bad that it can't be made better, and that whatever they do their parents have probably done worse.
And of course not to visit the Vatican until they are old enough...
 

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@Didimus girls would generally more comfortable talking about sex with their peers and female relatives. Though l do remember my dad choking at the dinner table when mum raised the contraceptive issue once :) :) :)
 

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My own experience as a father of 2 girls is not so much that they want to discuss this with you (too mortifying) but that they know that the essential things are that they are kind to themselves and kind to others, that everyone makes mistakes, that nothing is so bad that it can't be made better, and that whatever they do their parents have probably done worse.
Nice approach. :)
 

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