Venezuela in free-fall? President's nephews in coke deal hit an "imperialist ambush"

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Anti-imperialists, dontcha love'em?

One minute they're selling oil to the man and making lots of money to buy an election with. That's OK and the cash buyer is never an imperialist.

Next minute, selling 800kg of coke to help buy another election, only to get arrested by los gringos. That is definitely an imperialist action....

In this case it's the Chavez-Maduro gang who have wrecked an OK economy:


Without referring directly to the arrest of his wife's nephews, President Nicolas Maduro wrote on Twitter on Thursday that "the fatherland will continue on its path, neither attacks nor imperialist ambushes can derail the people of the Liberators, we have only one destiny and that's to win".
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US counternarcotics experts have long said that large amounts of cocaine transit from Colombia through Venezuela on to Europe and the US. The US Treasury currently lists nine Venezuelan officials as "kingpins", people it suspects of involvement in large-scale drug trafficking.




Nephews of Venezuela first lady convicted of cocaine plot - BBC News

Venezuelan first lady's nephews on drugs charges in US - BBC News
 


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I wonder how many lefties were parading Venezuela as a model economy for the last 10 or 15 years and scoffing anyone that told them it was a socialist mess
 

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The Castros are, or certainly were, also up to their neck in drug smuggling.


Cuba was perfect stopping off point for the Colombians as they didn't share info with Interpol or US Feds.


Venezuela has similar advantages, although they even do drug smuggling incompetently!
 

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I wonder how many lefties were parading Venezuela as a model economy for the last 10 or 15 years and scoffing anyone that told them it was a socialist mess
I'm not sure who you're talking about when you say the 'left' (what is it with P.ie and their simplistic generalisations) but many on the left argued within Venezuela and from afar that the 'boom' in the Venezuelan economy was overwhelmingly linked to the inflated price of oil and once that evaporated there was serious trouble ahead....and of course we shouldn't neglect to mention the usual role the US play in sabotaging economies (trade restrictions and financing right wing opposition thugs) particularly in LA when it suits them, they have plenty of experience at it.
 

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I'm not sure who you're talking about when you say the 'left' (what is it with P.ie and their simplistic generalisations) but many on the left argued within Venezuela and from afar that the 'boom' in the Venezuelan economy was overwhelmingly linked to the inflated price of oil and once that evaporated there was serious trouble ahead....and of course we shouldn't neglect to mention the usual role the US play in sabotaging economies (trade restrictions and financing right wing opposition thugs) particularly in LA when it suits them, they have plenty of experience at it.


I was inspired by this clown in particular but there are bound to be more

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... from afar that the 'boom' in the Venezuelan economy was overwhelmingly linked to the inflated price of oil and once that evaporated there was serious trouble ahead....and of course we shouldn't neglect to mention the usual role the US play in sabotaging economies (trade restrictions and financing right wing opposition thugs) particularly in LA when it suits them, they have plenty of experience at it.

All true, so why didn't they follow the norwegian way which is to accumulate cash from oil sales and only spend the income from that? The answer is that they (Chavez and Maduro) were buying votes with the income plus loans on future income. And giving away oil to the likes of Cuba.

The USA has been a bad "nabor" but a good client of Venezuela. You could argue that since the 1930s money from the US turned a swamp with oil into a rich country, that then had too many recent immigrants to feed.

Metro caracas has 3m-5m people, nobody knows. In 1941 it was 400,000. One of the highest murder rates, mainly the poor killing the poor.
 

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I wonder how many lefties were parading Venezuela as a model economy for the last 10 or 15 years and scoffing anyone that told them it was a socialist mess
There was a lot of them...

Gone quiet now though... as always...

Leftie Utopia ideals aren't feasible as they ignore human nature and the fact that we are a species that adopts a hierarchy... even down to two people in a room... where one will be dominant and the other submissive.

It's just bullsh!t... all the leftie nonsense. They should really give it up and come up with some new thinking.
 
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Chavez was not a clown. He had a lot of charisma. The clown is the guy who took over from him. Maduro, an amadan.
Maybe they should visit Zimbabwe or South Africa to see how to really ************************ up a country
 

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All true, so why didn't they follow the norwegian way which is to accumulate cash from oil sales and only spend the income from that? The answer is that they (Chavez and Maduro) were buying votes with the income plus loans on future income. And giving away oil to the likes of Cuba.

The USA has been a bad "nabor" but a good client of Venezuela. You could argue that since the 1930s money from the US turned a swamp with oil into a rich country, that then had too many recent immigrants to feed.

Metro caracas has 3m-5m people, nobody knows. In 1941 it was 400,000. One of the highest murder rates, mainly the poor killing the poor.
Of course, following a prudent economic course of action like that would have paid some dividends. However, Norway didn't have millions of people living in abject poverty, the kind of poverty you cannot possibly imagine. No electricity, no sanitation, no healthcare, no education,. Illiterate masses, living in squalor, dying of preventable diseases, child mortality. We wouldn't tolerate it here. We would demand the govt do whatever it takes to end such misery, especially if that govt had access to huge oil wealth. That wealth existed before Chavez and the millions living in slums and eating out of rubbish dumps never saw a penny of it.
 

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All true, so why didn't they follow the norwegian way which is to accumulate cash from oil sales and only spend the income from that? The answer is that they (Chavez and Maduro) were buying votes with the income plus loans on future income. And giving away oil to the likes of Cuba.

The USA has been a bad "nabor" but a good client of Venezuela. You could argue that since the 1930s money from the US turned a swamp with oil into a rich country, that then had too many recent immigrants to feed.

Metro caracas has 3m-5m people, nobody knows. In 1941 it was 400,000. One of the highest murder rates, mainly the poor killing the poor.
All true, so why didn't they follow the norwegian way which is to accumulate cash from oil sales and only spend the income from that? The answer is that they (Chavez and Maduro) were buying votes with the income plus loans on future income.
That maybe true to some extent, it's also quite common within capitalism, one wouldn't have to venture far back in this country's history to find a similar process.

And giving away oil to the likes of Cuba.
Not quite true. Some free, some cheap oil and also some bartering in return for medical assistance in part because of the ALBA agreement. Given the insistence of the US to cripple Cuba it was understandable that the Chavez regime would play this role, no?

You could argue that since the 1930s money from the US turned a swamp with oil into a rich country,
One could, one could also argue that they did this for their own strategic interests and the poor of Venezuela certainly didn't benefit and when someone came to power and threatened their interests and made some efforts to assist the poor, Washington did what Washington does and attempted to put a stop to it.
 

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That maybe true to some extent, it's also quite common within capitalism, one wouldn't have to venture far back in this country's history to find a similar process.



Not quite true. Some free, some cheap oil and also some bartering in return for medical assistance in part because of the ALBA agreement. Given the insistence of the US to cripple Cuba it was understandable that the Chavez regime would play this role, no?



One could, one could also argue that they did this for their own strategic interests and the poor of Venezuela certainly didn't benefit and when someone came to power and threatened their interests and made some efforts to assist the poor, Washington did what Washington does and attempted to put a stop to it.
It is all the fault of the "yanqui" isn't it? Nothing to do with the loony left running an economy into the ground......again.
 

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Are you suggesting that Chavez didn't redistribute any wealth, which seems to be what Corbyn was commenting upon?
every clown can look good for a while, setting up the collapse of the system makes any "good" he did pointless.
 

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It is all the fault of the "yanqui" isn't it? Nothing to do with the loony left running an economy into the ground......again.
It is all the fault of the "yanqui" isn't it?
Did I say that? Are you suggesting that US imperialism have no responsibility for the propping up of dictatorships across LA, they didn't assist with the removal of democratically elected governments, they didn't ensure the crippling of economies by their trade embargoes? They didn't finance and arm right wing groups trying to undermine governments as they did in Venezuela in trying to oust Chavez? Maybe you view a different history to mine. I would have thought you more than most would know about Latin America's history, given the role of your heroine in ensuring the butcher of Santiago, Pinochet never faced trial for his massacres of the 'loony left' and others.


Nothing to do with the loony left running an economy into the ground......again.
The 'left' in LA have made many mistakes and I don't eulogise them, however it's dishonest and disingenuous to disregard the actions of the most powerful imperial power on the planet sitting on their doorstep ruthlessly protecting their own interests, while their good friends the generals in many countries went about mass slaughter with the connivance and tacit approval of the 'yanquis'

Now ricky if you want to contribute, do so intelligently and objectively and park the facetious claptrap.
 

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every clown can look good for a while, setting up the collapse of the system makes any "good" he did pointless.
Was there a context to the collapse notwithstanding the mistakes by Chavez and certainly Maduro...Didn't much of global capitalism not collapse around that time too as a result of the actions of financiers, politicians and bankers?
 

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There was never much "socialism " in Venezuela . Chavez was an anti American who felt a bit of socialism might be useful in propaganda war v Uncle Sam . Very sad for the people.
 

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Was there a context to the collapse notwithstanding the mistakes by Chavez and certainly Maduro...Didn't much of global capitalism not collapse around that time too as a result of the actions of financiers, politicians and bankers?

Good point, but if you are a one-trick state like Venezuela you have to develop other tricks to pay your bills.
 

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I wonder how many lefties were parading Venezuela as a model economy for the last 10 or 15 years and scoffing anyone that told them it was a socialist mess
Nearly every single one. Here are some moron Lefties, beaming in Leftie Heaven Venezuela in 2012:


Pictured below: Venezuela election International Observers Hugh O'Shaughnessy (prize-winning journalist who has written on Latin America for over 40 years), Sinn Féin MP Conor Murphy, Owen Jones (columnist and author of Chavs – The Demonization of the Working Class), British Labour MP Grahame Morris, and British Labour MP Diane Abbott


Conor Murphy MP's blog from Venezuela: A witness to democracy


Those smiling cretins are now back, comfortably ensconced in their comfortable lives (mostly taxpayer funded), well away from the wreck that Chavez created for the poor Venezuelans who are left to pay the price.


And now they wash their hands of it. They are filth in my mind.
 

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Good point, but if you are a one-trick state like Venezuela you have to develop other tricks to pay your bills.

I don't disagree with that, there was far to much reliance on oil..
 


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