Video Game Morals Should be Integrated with Social and Economic Morals

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Ironically, its in Hollywood blockbusters that you see the Comunist utopia being virtually created. A sudden disaster gives people the excuse to throw off the petty greed and egotism of capitalism, and band together as comrades, sharing all, and facing all danger in commune.
Generally only to overcome the immediate obstacle or disaster. We never see what happens after that. People seem to perform the same way in real life; banding together in the face of proximate and immediate danger and then reverting to 'normality' after that.
 


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How entrepreneurial of her. Perhaps she will get to sell her online business to one of those big fashion companies. It seems odd to me that you suggest people are using these virtual worlds to escape capitalism for them only to recreate a capitalist world in the virtual one. How do you explain that?
Its a kind of tabula rasa, where Adam Smith's ideas can actually exist - despite the contradiction that the whole of this virtual world is, by definition, a monopoly, run by the owners of Second Life. I dont find it strange that people who have been socialised into capitalism from childhood would continue that socialisation in their fantasy.

It used to be a joke in the USSR that the only place a person could be free was in his fantasy. Seems that was a wonderful luxury. In capitalism, fantasy is corralled by a massive and all encompasing technology.
 

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Generally only to overcome the immediate obstacle or disaster. We never see what happens after that. People seem to perform the same way in real life; banding together in the face of proximate and immediate danger and then reverting to 'normality' after that.
Yes, thats the whole point. For this moment of Communism to exist, "normal" American life has to be suspended - by disaster of some kind. But, given the popularity of such movies, one must think that there is great pleasure in imagining such moments. Such moments seem to reveal a hostility towards modern corporate capitalism (as we enjoy watching the corporate buildings being smashed or zapped by aliens), and a longing for a communal life.
 

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Yes, thats the whole point. For this moment of Communism to exist, "normal" American life has to be suspended - by disaster of some kind. But, given the popularity of such movies, one must think that there is great pleasure in imagining such moments.
Yes, it would be a pleasant world if things could be like that all the time. But then one must meditate on the genius of More in giving his book such an accurate title...
 

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So anyway is Pac Man a communist revolutionary or a greedy capitalist pig , obsessed with consuming things ?
 

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So what are they escaping from and why does this status as an 'ultimate capitalist subject' seem to give them such satisfaction?

Becoming the ultimate capitalist subject is not at all where the pleasure is. That is the price that is paid for the fantasy of having the power of decision in some kind of world. I pay Senond Life their fees etc. I shut myself off from the real world (where I have no power or influence anyway) and I submerge myself in a virtual life, where I can really make decisions and exert power. And, it would be incorrect to think that there is not some kind of "reality" to virtual decisions - as our designer shows.
 
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So anyway is Pac Man a communist revolutionary or a greedy capitalist pig , obsessed with consuming things ?
Thats quite a metaphysical question.
 

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Becoming the ultimate capitalist subject is not at all where the please is. That is the price that is paid for the fantasy of having the power of decision in some kind of world. I pay Senond Life their fees etc. I shut myself off from the real world (where I have no power or influence anyway) and I submerge myself in a virtual life, where I can really make decisions and exert power. And, it would be incorrect to think that there is not some kind of "reality" to virtual decisions - as our designer shows.
I'm kind of with you on the whole virtual world thing, in that I see it as pointless and vacuous, but I still am not convinced by your theory. It seems somewhat sad to me that people would escape into such things, but then again I am me and they are not. It may bring them some pleasure or enjoyment and who am I to deny that to them?
 

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I'm kind of with you on the whole virtual world thing, in that I see it as pointless and vacuous, but I still am not convinced by your theory. It seems somewhat sad to me that people would escape into such things, but then again I am me and they are not. It may bring them some pleasure or enjoyment and who am I to deny that to them?
Remember we are in the 'virtual world' right now,perhaps even playing games . Just with crappy graphics . I dont think anyone should get too 'snooty' about it . With respect.
 

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I'm kind of with you on the whole virtual world thing, in that I see it as pointless and vacuous, but I still am not convinced by your theory. It seems somewhat sad to me that people would escape into such things, but then again I am me and they are not. It may bring them some pleasure or enjoyment and who am I to deny that to them?
I also think its sad that such things would happen. I posted an article a couple of weeks ago on the life of young people in Japan today, where marriage or any kind of relationship at all is becoming the exception rather than the rule. Such a condition is imposed by the fact that a large percentage of the population have only low paid temp jobs, and cannot plan for any kind of future in the real world. Its hardly surprising that such people would wish to escape into a virtual world. It has also been becoming a serious problem in Japan that teenage boys are not even interested in girls, but prefer to masturbate to 3D porn models (they find flesh and blood porn models to be boring.) I have little doubt that these pathologies are not limited to Japan, and will become more and more pervasive.
 

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Remember we are in the 'virtual world' right now,perhaps even playing games . Just with crappy graphics . I dont think anyone should get too 'snooty' about it . With respect.
Thats true, but, we are discussing matters that are part of the real world, with a view to learning about the real world, and, perhaps influencing it. Our attention is not confined to the happenings of a world that has never actually existed.
 

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TonyBird said:
Remember we are in the 'virtual world' right now,perhaps even playing games . Just with crappy graphics . I dont think anyone should get too 'snooty' about it . With respect.
lol Seeing as how you did it with respect I don't see how I could mind.
 

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Finally downloaded the doc OP . Looks good .will watch it tomorrow .
The first line about Reagans 'Star wars program' sums it up . 1980s cold war 'reality' was infact more like a video game . ie 'push button wars' with no 'real' consequences .
Look forward to the rest in the series .Cheers .
 

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Also here:

Rise of the Video Game

Level One, Parts 1-5


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ras4E4N1S5E]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level One | Part 1[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKR0f87ibkI]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level One | Part 2[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40LXudWLCbk]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level One | Part 3[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v8BBwFmfyg]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level One | Part 4[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXri06ivZQ&NR=1]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level One | Part 5[/ame]
 

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Rise of the Video Game

Level Two, Parts 1-5

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=651vyEaLPX8]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Two | Part 1[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_nNxAR8xAU]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Two | Part 2[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZFCW2aeFxM]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Two | Part 3[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEhOsehYyCE&NR=1]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Two | Part 4[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0lwBe2AezM]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Two | Part 5[/ame]
 

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Level Three, Parts 1-5

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrZVkj0mVq0]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Three | Part 1[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMnZG35q-6I]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Three | Part 2[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUeschNoVkg]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Three | Part 3[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL6V4qGVfiM]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Three | Part 4[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgK0rwdRQBg]YouTube - Rise of the Video Game: Level Three | Part 5[/ame]
 

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Second Life just shows how many people find the world that capitalism has created to be unfit for human life, and have withdrawn into a virtual fantasy world. They thus, ironically, become the ultimate capitalist subject\consumer. A kind of vegatable who just gives off profit from his body, like a smell, but who is never involved enough in reality to ever change anything.
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You have the world sussed, fair play to you, just watch that they don't come for you in the night !!!
 

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Cael said:
Second Life just shows how many people find the world that capitalism has created to be unfit for human life, and have withdrawn into a virtual fantasy world. They thus, ironically, become the ultimate capitalist subject\consumer. A kind of vegatable who just gives off profit from his body, like a smell, but who is never involved enough in reality to ever change anything.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection"]Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

So anyway is Pac Man a communist revolutionary or a greedy capitalist pig , obsessed with consuming things ?
There is a spectre haunting Pacman - the spectre of ghosts. All the power pellets have entered into a virtual alliance to eat this spectre and return its eyes to the little box in the centre of the screen...
 


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