Viktor Orban uses COVID-19 Emergency to confirm his Authoritarian & Undemocratic Rule over Hungary

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"Never waste a good crisis" is an old political saying, and it is jsut as true about the Coronavirus pandemic as it is about anything. In Israel, Benjamin Nethanyahu has seized the opportunity to extend hs term in office. No doubt ruling parties everywhere slip in regulations or pieces of legislation they have long desired.

But no leader as yet has made such a blatant power-grab as the Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban. With a majority generated by the Hungarian electoral system, the Hungarian Parliament passed a law allowing Orban to rule by decree indefinitely. This is to stave off mounting criticism of Orban in his handling of the crisis, but it is a gross over-reaction to what is not an inense outbreak by European standards. The Prime Minister already controls most of the media through his cronies, and has packed the judiciary with judges beholden to him. It is a classic case of populism mutating into authoritarianism, a trajectory long since plotted and predicted for Hungary.



Parliament has been suspended, and all elections are postponed to after the state of emergency. The bill also makes the deliberate distribution of misleading information that obstructs responses to the pandemic punishable by up to five years in prison, and breaking quarantine punishable by up to three. The bill faced opposition over the possibility that the "fake news" prohibition in the bill could be abused for censorship of non-official statements.

Orban has often been accused of aiming to introduce a Dictatorship, and this seems like his moment. Conservatives, fake Conservatives and Fascists hae touted Orban's "illiberal democracy" as a suitable model, though it is really just the usual rule by a Big Man and his pet oligarchs, no different to Vladimir Putin's. Orban even received the laying on of hands from the current Conservative intellectual rave, Jordan Peterson.


Hargary is the second-largest recipient of EU aid, much of which is funnelled towards the Orban family and his oligarchic cronies. His regime has already been uner scrutiny and this calls into question the country's long term membership of the EU.
 
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Ireland has 5 times the death rate as Hungary so they must be doing something right
That is the point.

If Hungary is doing better, why does it need Emergency legislation far more draconian than anything Irleand (or any other country) has done? Why is it going to be in place indefinitely?

Clearly, an opportunistic power grab by an authoritarian who always aimed at a Dictatorship. We can call Hungary the "Orban Dictatorship" from now on.
 

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no where looks like a democracy at the moment, check back in 2021
Most countries have a 3-month limit on their Emergency legislation. Hungary has an infinite limit, and Elections also posponed indefinitely.

Germany 1933? COVID-19 as Reichstag Fire?

But Hungary has not been Democratic for years now, its Weimar Republic has been dead for a while.

Of course, Orban's fanboys will not admit that.
 

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The Hungarian government has been far more effective in dealing with Covid 19 than our own has. The Irish regime has done away with freedom of assembly along with many other liberties. In France and Italy you now need permission from the state to leave your home. Hungary is far from alone in using authoritarian measures to fight the spread of this virus.

"The leader of the opposition Jobbik party, Peter Jakab, said that the law placed the whole of Hungarian democracy in quarantine. "


I see the OP is on the same side as the far-right Jobbik party.
 

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The Hungarian government has been far more effective in dealing with Covid 19 than our own has. The Irish regime has done away with freedom of assembly along with many other liberties. In France and Italy you now need permission from the state to leave your home. Hungary is far from alone in using authoritarian measures to fight the spread of this virus.

"The leader of the opposition Jobbik party, Peter Jakab, said that the law placed the whole of Hungarian democracy in quarantine. "


I see the OP is on the same side as the far-right Jobbik party.
That is also shit
 

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"Never waste a good crisis" is an old political saying, and it is jsut as true about the Coronavirus pandemic as it is about anything. In Israel, Benjamin Nethanyahu has seized the opportunity to extend hs term in office. No doubt ruling parties everywhere slip in regulations or pieces of legislation they have long desired.

But no leader as yet has made such a blatant power-grab as the Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban. With a majority generated by the Hungarian electoral system, the Hungarian Parliament passed a law allowing Orban to rule by decree indefinitely. This is to stave off mounting criticism of Orban in his handling of the crisis, but it is a gross over-reaction to what is not an inense outbreak by European standards. The Prime Minister already controls most of the media through his cronies, and has packed the judiciary with judges beholden to him. It is a classic case of populism mutating into authoritarianism, a trajectory long since plotted and predicted for Hungary.



Parliament has been suspended, and all elections are postponed to after the state of emergency. The bill also makes the deliberate distribution of misleading information that obstructs responses to the pandemic punishable by up to five years in prison, and breaking quarantine punishable by up to three. The bill faced opposition over the possibility that the "fake news" prohibition in the bill could be abused for censorship of non-official statements.

Orban has often been accused of aiming to introduce a Dictatorship, and this seems like his moment. Conservatives, fake Conservatives and Fascists hae touted Orban's "illiberal democracy" as a suitable model, though it is really just the usual rule by a Big Man and his pet oligarchs, no different to Vladimir Putin's. Orban even received the laying on of hands from the current Conservative intellectual rave, Jordan Peterson.


Hargary is the second-largest recipient of EU aid, much of which is funnelled towards the Orban family and his oligarchic cronies. His regime has already been uner scrutiny and this calls into question the country's long term membership of the EU.
Perfect example of where the EU can make a stand and make a difference in a situation.

It cannot tolerate the membership of a defacto dictatorship.
 

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Ireland has 5 times the death rate as Hungary so they must be doing something right
There are likely many other causes for that, not least Hungary not being as popular a travel destination compared to harder hit countries.
 

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There are likely many other causes for that, not least Hungary not being as popular a travel destination compared to harder hit countries.
totally agree, I doubt if you one would see a delegation of the Ministry of Agriculture from China visiting Hungary to inspect and see for themselves the way animals are cared for , reared and fed and killed, processed to the highest standards.I remember seeing it on the news just before Xmas a team of China men shown around the country.Yet in China the people sell wild animals in the street markets that are bearing viruses and God knows what else.The PM of Hungary would not even give them visas to visit his country.
 

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totally agree, I doubt if you one would see a delegation of the Ministry of Agriculture from China visiting Hungary to inspect and see for themselves the way animals are cared for , reared and fed and killed, processed to the highest standards.I remember seeing it on the news just before Xmas a team of China men shown around the country.Yet in China the people sell wild animals in the street markets that are bearing viruses and God knows what else.The PM of Hungary would not even give them visas to visit his country.
Indeed. But you're not supposed to notice that the Chinese Communist Party is the most authoritarian government in the world. In fact you're supposed to think that the CCP is wonderful -- "look how they're helping us now, in our hour of need"!

Get with the program. CCP good, Orban bad. Four legs good, two legs better.
 

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totally agree, I doubt if you one would see a delegation of the Ministry of Agriculture from China visiting Hungary to inspect and see for themselves the way animals are cared for , reared and fed and killed, processed to the highest standards.I remember seeing it on the news just before Xmas a team of China men shown around the country.Yet in China the people sell wild animals in the street markets that are bearing viruses and God knows what else.The PM of Hungary would not even give them visas to visit his country.
Might explain why Hungary has half our economy with twice the population
 

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Indeed. But you're not supposed to notice that the Chinese Communist Party is the most authoritarian government in the world. In fact you're supposed to think that the CCP is wonderful -- "look how they're helping us now, in our hour of need"!

Get with the program. CCP good, Orban bad. Four legs good, two legs better.
Who exactly is saying that the CCP are good?

They are Stalin or Hitler with better PR. Sooner they are all dragged from party headquarters and strung up kicking and p*ssing themselves the better.
 

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Good man Viktor, show em how it's done.
We could have had that here if GE 2020 wasn't rigged.
 

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Budapest is a major European city break destination ans one would imagine there are a lot of Hungarians working around Europe.
Nowhere in the league of places like Italy and Spain.
 


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