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#VINB Mon 10/12/2012: Has Budget 2013 damaged the Labour Party?


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Niamh Lyons, Political correspondent Irish daily Mail https://twitter.com/niamh_lyons
Fionnan Sheahan, Political Editor Irish Independent Interview with Fionnan Sheahan | Brand Ireland Conference - YouTube
Noel Whelan, Barrister; Columnist Irish Times Noel Whelan | Barristers' Database | Bar Council of Ireland


Labour backbenchers are revolting, or are they? They should be. What happened to Labour's pre-election promises to protect child benefit and hit the wealthy? How will the party fair in the next GE and just how much damage has Budget 2013 done to the Labour party?

Colm Keaveney, Chairman of the Labour Party, has called on the Government to row back on the €10 to €20 cut per child which has been met with widespread outrage by Labour Party backbenchers, opposition parties and child welfare groups. Tánaiste and Labour leader, Eamon Gilmore, Tánaiste and Labour leader, has had to try and calm backbencher nerves over concerns that the wealthy weren't hit hard enough in Budget 2013.

Former Labour Junior Minister, Roisín Shortall - Now an Independent TD - believes Budget 2013 will be very damaging for the Labour Party. “I suspect a lot of pressure will be piled on in coming days to try and reverse some of the more awful aspects of the Budget.”

A good to great #VINB is on the cards for tonight. Let’s see the panel take Labour to pieces, bit by bit.


Budget 2013 - Warmer homes scheme maintained » Blog » The Labour Party
Labour Youth disappointed with many aspects of Budget 2013
Labour Party chairman Keaveney calls for child-benefit cut reversal | BreakingNews.ie
Budget 2013 not an à la carte menu, insists Varadkar - The Irish Times - Thu, Dec 06, 2012
Irish Politics, Current Affairs and Magazine Archive - Politico.ie | Budget 2013: 'Deeply regressive, both socially and economically'
Budget 2013: Labour turns Blue | swp.ie


http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/202005-income-tax-rates-v-cuts-carers-respite-care.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/labour/202016-rabbitte-gov-wont-pay-pn-march-more-kite-flying.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/current-affairs/202085-do-you-still-have-confidence-government.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/media/201814-liveline-post-budget-whinge-full-flow.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/events/202002-carers-association-protest-tuesday-11th-december-2012-1-pm-dail.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/labour/201837-labour-rebellion-tds-showdown-joan-over-cuts.html

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Susan Philips, Political analyst, Former County Councillor

Previous #VINB: http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/201863-vinb-thur-6-12-2012-budget-2013-fallout.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/201771-vinb-wed-5-12-2012-budget-2013-fatima-mansions.html

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Whelan is a good reason to pass on this. Boring windbag.
 

R3volution_R3ady

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Not one TD? Very disappointing...
 

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Labour were damaged the moment they went into a coalition with either of our right-wing parties. They damn well knew the history of previous main party mudflaps like the Greens and the PDs but the desire for power and enormous pensions was too much for them.

Did Budget 2013 damage Labour? The damage was already done - the Budget is merely the nail in their coffin.
 

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Whelan is a good reason to pass on this. Boring windbag.
wasn't he an ff careerist windbag, spoofer, go-for; now columnist, part-time barrister talking head?
 

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Whelan will spin it for his party faithful but will Vincent allow him get away with that approach? As for Becker . . . :roll:
 

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What a stupid debate.

Both parties are damaged by that budget.

Ah yes, but Labour trade explicitly on the line that they understand Socialism.

There is nothing 'socialist' about taking money from vulnerable families and those who care for vulnerable people.

Simple as that.
 

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I think people unfortunately are only beginning to understand that our Government are taking their orders from Berlin, despite FG and Labour putting a brave face on it.

The financial 'adjustments' in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts for the next 3 years are already decided, the Government's only options are how to move the deckchairs around.

How many times do you have to repeat - 'FF lost Ireland's economic sovereignty'
 

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I think people unfortunately are only beginning to understand that our Government are taking their orders from Berlin, despite FG and Labour putting a brave face on it.

The financial 'adjustments' in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts for the next 3 years are already decided, the Government's only options are how to move the deckchairs around.

How many times do you have to repeat - 'FF lost Ireland's economic sovereignty'
The decision to step on carers and children was FG/Labours.
 

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PS: For those who still don't believe Berlin are now calling the shots, here's the budgets for the next three years:

The ACTUAL Troika Plan
2013: New taxes - €1bn, PS spending cuts - €1.7bn, Capital cuts - €.6bn
2014: New taxes - €1bn, PS spending cuts - €1.9bn, Capital cuts - €.1bn
2015: New taxes - €.5bn, PS spending cuts - €1.3bn

Have fun working out how the country can avoid further pain, answers on a postcard please !!!!
 

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Ah yes, but Labour trade explicitly on the line that they understand Socialism.

There is nothing 'socialist' about taking money from vulnerable families and those who care for vulnerable people.

Simple as that.
Socialist? It's damn nasty, shameful, scandalous, dishonorable and cowardly.
 

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PS: For those who still don't believe Berlin are now calling the shots, here's the budgets for the next three years:

The ACTUAL Troika Plan
2013: New taxes - €1bn, PS spending cuts - €1.7bn, Capital cuts - €.6bn
2014: New taxes - €1bn, PS spending cuts - €1.9bn, Capital cuts - €.1bn
2015: New taxes - €.5bn, PS spending cuts - €1.3bn
Have fun working out how the country can avoid further pain, answers on a postcard please !!!!
I'm a bit lost here. I thought this was our Government's plan, which the Troika are making sure our Government sticks to.
 

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The only thing damaging Labour is Labour.
As for Joan, She's in power now..she doesn't need the PR anymore.
 

wedwood

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Socialist? It's damn nasty, shameful, scandalous, dishonorable and cowardly.
See my previous post with regard to the upcoming budgets.

If you think FG, Labour, FF, SF, etc can avoid more and more cuts to Welfare payments and tax hikes etc.then you really don't know where we're really at.

Even if the much maligned Croke Park Agreement was scrapped in the morning and wholesale pay cuts and compulsory redundancies were introduced across the PS, it still wouldn't change the majority of what's coming over the next few years.
 

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PS: For those who still don't believe Berlin are now calling the shots, here's the budgets for the next three years:

The ACTUAL Troika Plan
2013: New taxes - €1bn, PS spending cuts - €1.7bn, Capital cuts - €.6bn
2014: New taxes - €1bn, PS spending cuts - €1.9bn, Capital cuts - €.1bn
2015: New taxes - €.5bn, PS spending cuts - €1.3bn

Have fun working out how the country can avoid further pain, answers on a postcard please !!!!
And these numbers are compounding prior years, therefore real magnitude of impacts are greater.
 

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