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#VINB Tue 15/1/2013: Croke Park II - trade unions and workers’ rights


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Croke Park II - trade unions and workers’ rights in Ireland is tonight’s topic for discussion.

Trade unions have described Government proposals for public service reform as “draconian” and warned the new talks process could break down at a very early stage.

These involve:
* pay cuts for some grades
* increased working hours
* the elimination of increments
* a reduction in premium and overtime rates
* reforms to supervision and
* substitution payments for teachers.
* They also involve greater flexibility in redeploying staff.

Unions said although compulsory redundancies was not mentioned that Government signalled it wanted provision to offer exit packages to staff who did not opt for redeployment offers.

Separately, Brendan Howlin, Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform is expected to seek Cabinet approval for targeted voluntary redundancy schemes under which:
* 1,500 health staff
* more than 500 in agriculture
* 350 in education
would leave.

Tonight the panel tease what’s on the table and the likely way forward. Good discussion is expected on tonight’s show …


Croke Park extension demands 'draconian', say unions - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 15, 2013
Croke Park II - A defining moment has arrived | Irish Examiner


http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/204296-frontline-14-1-2013-22-25-croke-park-ii-who-pays.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/195833-civil-public-sector-workers-should-say-no-croke-park-2-a.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/204114-troika-wants-cut-ps-pay.html

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Previous #VINB: http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/204298-vinb-mon-14-1-2013-property-tax.html

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Tough Paddy

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Welcome to the Mad Hour with Vinnie! We guarantee that it'll be even MADDER than the night before! :D
 

nonpartyboy

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Fionnan is going to say the country is bankrupt......blah blah blah.

That's what we were told the last time, yet we still apparently have the money to fund all the quangos plus a few more fg/lab have created, have money to bail out aib's pension fund. have money to pension off some of the most incompetent "managers" in the world.

Ain't buying it this time mate........
 

sport02

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Kieran Allen? Yawn. Die hard socialist with a handsome pay pack.
 

nonpartyboy

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Kieran Allen? Yawn. Die hard socialist with a handsome pay pack.
I'd rather have a real union official like brendan ogle or mick o'reilly.
 

Davidoff

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Fionnan is going to say the country is bankrupt......blah blah blah.

That's what we were told the last time, yet we still apparently have the money to fund all the quangos plus a few more fg/lab have created, have money to bail out aib's pension fund. have money to pension off some of the most incompetent "managers" in the world.

Ain't buying it this time mate........
The country is bankrupt.

National debt now is somewhere around €110,000 per worker, and rising.

And we can't devalue or inflate our way out of the mess.

It's typicaly Iirsh that half the country still doesn't get it.
 

Crazy horse 6

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The country is bankrupt.

National debt now is somewhere around €110,000 per worker, and rising.

And we can't devalue or inflate our way out of the mess.

It's typicaly Iirsh that half the country still doesn't get it.
They do but like this government are in complete denial.
 

jmcc

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More PS baiting and beating? Hardly worth watching with the some of the people that Vinnie has on these nights.
 

Mr. Bumble

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Fionnan is going to say the country is bankrupt......blah blah blah.

That's what we were told the last time, yet we still apparently have the money to fund all the quangos plus a few more fg/lab have created, have money to bail out aib's pension fund. have money to pension off some of the most incompetent "managers" in the world.

Ain't buying it this time mate........
One could write the script of the show. If one was arsed.
 

ottovonbismarck

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Don't like that Allen chap or Beaker. Two obnoxious pains in the hole. But I'll still watch it though. The bag is empty.
 

nonpartyboy

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The country is bankrupt.

National debt now is somewhere around €110,000 per worker, and rising.

And we can't devalue or inflate our way out of the mess.

It's typicaly Iirsh that half the country still doesn't get it.
I've been listening to this for 6 years now, even to the point that i had all my money gone out of the country.....in the end it will be sorted out either through inflation or debt write off. Or we will all go down together, but we were sold a pup on the last deal, so i wouldn't be buying this one.
 

Abaddon

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Great! :roll:

Another night of attacking the people that are keeping this country together.
 

ned green

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The government are playing hardball on this one,they called in the union pussycats and read them the script,confident that their threats to go ahead anyway with their cuts and "reforms" will be enough for the "beards" to persuade the membership to once again surrender,after some token concessions.
 

Mr. Bumble

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Does Sheehan work for the government?
 

Mr. Bumble

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Why didn't they have a union leader on instead of Allen?
 

jmcc

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I'm almost expecting that clown Allen to make an argument that Ireland needs more sociologists.
 
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