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#VINB Tue 27/11/2012 @22:00: Debate & Discussion - Abortion


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Arguing against legislating for x case:
Breda O‘Brien, Patron Iona Institute, Columnist Irish Times Breda O'Brien - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
William Binchy, Regius Professor of Laws Trinity College, Legal Advisor Pro-Life William Binchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arguing in favour of legislating for x case:
Dearbhail McDonald, Legal Affairs Editor Irish Independent Dearbhail McDonald: Sickened at 20-year wait for law - Analysis, Opinion - Independent.ie
Ivana Bacik, Labour Senator, Reid Professor Criminal Law Trinity College Ivana Bacik | Ability. Vision. Experience.


Publication of the Report of the Expert Group on the judgment in A, B and C v Ireland
Decision on abortion report by end of year - RTÉ News
Abortion law reform decision expected by end December - National News - Independent.ie
Government publishes report from expert group on abortion law | BreakingNews.ie
Abortion legislation: Taoiseach to act 'as soon as possible' on expert group's findings | Irish Examiner


Previous #VINBs: http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/200722-vinb-wed-21-11-2012-more-x-case-legislation.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/200632-vinb-tue-20-11-2012-bill-implement-x-case-judgement.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/200230-vinb-thur-15-11-2012-do-we-need-abortion-legislation.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/195102-vinb-fintan-o-toole-tue-28-8-2012-abortion-legislation-referendum.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/193260-vinb-mon-23-7-2012-abortion-law-rift-government.html


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This is followed immediately by the normal #VINB show which will be a
Discussion on the Debate as well as other news stories of the day.


Linda Connelly, Department of Sociology UCC http://research.ucc.ie/profiles/A024/lconnolly
Sarah McInerney, Political correspondent Sunday Times http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1165387.ece
Fionnan Sheahan, Political editor Irish Independent http://www.independent.ie/national-news/expert-group-wants-james-reilly-to-rule-on-grounds-for-abortions-3253755.html

The main show tonight will be an analysis of the main Debate, so it‘s a popcorn night.


Paper preview:
Jonathan Healy, Newstalk Lunchtime Presenter https://twitter.com/jonathanhealy
and Twitter: Stephen O‘Leary, O‘Leary Analytics https://twitter.com/stephenoleary

Previous #VINB: http://www.politics.ie/forum/backstage/201084-vinb-mon-26-11-2012-time-james-reilly-go.html

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Will probably avoid this, as really the abortion issue really has been flagged to death over the last few weeks between Primetime and Frontline and Vinny B...

Mind you - from a pro-life perspective...

Am happy that Ivana Bacik is taking part, as she is patronising, arrogant and irritating....
Am Also happy that Ronan Mullen is not taking part, as he is also patronising, arrogant and irritating...
 

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Am happy that Ivana Bacik is taking part, as she is patronising, arrogant and irritating....
Am Also happy that Ronan Mullen is not taking part, as he is also patronising, arrogant and irritating...
Must be something wrong with the swill in their trough
 

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Well we know where Bacik stands . And seemingly knows it all.

Ivana Bacik ‏@ivanabacik

Dr Veronica O'Keane speaking clear sense - debunking anti-choice myths about effect of abortion on mental health
 

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Claire Daly has just said 'this is just the start' of her abortion agenda.

She is a rabbid pro-abortionist.

Week 13: Urine forms
Thirteen weeks into your pregnancy, or 11 weeks after conception, your baby's intestines have moved from the umbilical cord to your baby's abdomen. Your baby is also beginning to form urine and discharge it into the amniotic fluid.
Tissue that will become bone is also developing around your baby's head and within his or her arms and legs.

Week 14: Baby's sex becomes apparent
Fourteen weeks into your pregnancy, or 12 weeks after conception, your baby's arms have almost reached the final relative lengths they'll be at birth and your baby's neck has become more defined. Red blood cells are forming in your baby's spleen.
Your baby's sex will become apparent this week or in the coming weeks. For girls, ovarian follicles begin forming. For boys, the prostate appears.
By now your baby might be almost 3 1/2 inches (87 millimeters) long from crown to rump and weigh about 1 1/2 ounces (45 grams).

Week 15: Baby's skeleton develops bones
Fifteen weeks into your pregnancy, or 13 weeks after conception, your baby is growing rapidly. Your baby's skeleton is developing bones, which will become visible on ultrasound images in a few weeks. Your baby's scalp hair pattern also is forming.

Week 16: Baby can make sucking motions
Sixteen weeks into your pregnancy, or 14 weeks after conception, your baby's eyes have begun to face forward and slowly move. The ears are close to reaching their final position. Your baby might be able to make sucking motions with his or her mouth.
Although still too slight to be felt, your baby's movements are becoming coordinated and can be detected during ultrasound exams.
By now your baby might be more than 4 1/2 inches (120 millimeters) long from crown to rump.

Week 17: Fat accumulates
Seventeen weeks into your pregnancy, or 15 weeks after conception, fat stores begin to develop under your baby's skin. The fat will provide energy and help keep your baby warm after birth.

Week 18: Baby begins to hear
Eighteen weeks into your pregnancy, or 16 weeks after conception, your baby's ears begin to stand out on the sides of his or her head. Your baby might begin to hear.
By now your baby might be 5 1/2 inches (140 millimeters) long from crown to rump and weigh 7 ounces (200 grams).

Week 19: Baby's uterus forms
Nineteen weeks into your pregnancy, or 17 weeks after conception, a greasy, cheese-like coating called vernix caseosa begins to cover your baby. The vernix caseosa helps protect your baby's delicate skin from abrasions, chapping and hardening that can result from exposure to amniotic fluid.
For girls, the uterus and vagina might begin to form this week.
 

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Well we know where Bacik stands . And seemingly knows it all.

Dr Veronica O'Keane speaking clear sense - debunking anti-choice myths about effect of abortion on mental health
Is an abortion the treatment of choice for depression? News to me.
 

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'Pro-child, Pro-choice'. A contradiction in terms surely?

Given V Browne's recent article supporting abortion on demand, he has lost the credibility to moderate debates on this issue.
 

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Just as well I'm up at 6am for work. Should be well tucked in before the knives are out.
 

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'Pro-child, Pro-choice'. A contradiction in terms surely?

Given V Browne's recent article supporting abortion on demand, he has lost the credibility to moderate debates on this issue.
I think he's been quite fair in the debates.

Being pro-choice is the belief that women can choose for themselves what to do with their own bodies. I think that's well known.
 

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William Binchy, the intellectual giant behind the 1983 Pro-Life amendment.

William Binchy V. Mary Robinson (1983 Pro-Life Referendum) - YouTube

Interesting debate with Mary Robinson. Particularly in retrospect. Binchy doesn't see grounds where the amendment could be challenged, except maybe by 'crackpots'. Basically he is asked if everything that has subsequently happened in the last twenty years would come to pass and each time dismisses the very idea that such a thing could happen. All his predictions are wrong. All of them. One of is opponents this evening, Ivana Bacik, was actually prosecuted for providing information on abortion, something Binchy said that no one would ever be prosecuted for. William Binchy is to my mind the single most discredited voice of authority currently speaking in the national abortion debate.
 

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'Pro-child, Pro-choice'. A contradiction in terms surely?
No.

Someone who is pro-choice and who has children, for example. That's probably a majority of the pro-choice people, I suspect. It certainly is in the rest of Europe anyway.

Be careful, you're starting to believe your own propaganda - never a good move!
 

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No.

Someone who is pro-choice and who has children, for example. That's probably a majority of the pro-choice people, I suspect. It certainly is in the rest of Europe anyway.

Be careful, you're starting to believe your own propaganda - never a good move!
pro some children, but very anti others, would that be a better description for you?
 

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No.

Someone who is pro-choice and who has children, for example. That's probably a majority of the pro-choice people, I suspect. It certainly is in the rest of Europe anyway.

Be careful, you're starting to believe your own propaganda - never a good move!
You could say 'Pro choice, Pro women'. However if you are pro child it's very hard to reconcile that with the pro-choice position. I always feel extremely uncomfortable seeing people bring young kids and babies along to pro-choice rallies.
 

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Id rather pull out my finger nails that watch this muck.

Think Ill put on a good film instead.
 

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