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#VINB Wed 5/6/2013: Seanad abolition referendum


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At last, the Government has published the 32nd Amendment to the Constitution - which is to be put to Referendum this autumn. If ratified, the Seanad ceases to exist from midnight on the day before the Dáil first meets after the next General Election.

Taoiseach Enda Kenny said that the Seanad is out-dated and does not represent modern Ireland.

We consider that Ireland has simply too many politicians for its size, we have to question the very relevance of a second chamber. If the last decade of misrule has proven anything it is that modern Ireland cannot be governed effectively by a political system originally designed for 19th century Britain. The Seanad did nothing to challenge the unobtainable policies of the Celtic Tiger.
The Taoiseach said the referendum on setting up a new Court of Appeal, as a buffer between the High Court and the Supreme Court, would be held on the same day this autumn, and claimed that the abolition of the Seanad would save about €20 million a year. He and the Tánaiste, Eamon Gilmore, added that members of the government parties – including those in the current Seanad – would be expected to vote in favour of the legislation to abolish the Seanad.

The ‘Democracy Matters’ group, which has been set up to oppose the abolition of the Seanad, described the plans as “constitutional vandalism, and a cynical power grab dressed up as reform”. One of its members, independent Seanad nominee Katherine Zappone, said the proposal “solves none of the problems of the broken system which gave us our current crisis, but instead makes our broken system, more centralised, more whipped and more controlled by government and less accountable.”

Tonight Vinny looks at today’s top political news story with an interesting panel. Should be a good, if short, show …


Govt publishes details of Seanad referendum - RTÉ News
Government publishes Seanad abolition referendum details - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Wed, Jun 05, 2013
Government announces referendum to abolish Seanad | Irish Examiner
Referendum to be held to decide future of Seanad - News - Roundup - Articles - Westmeath Independent
Government announces Dáil reform plans if Seanad is scrapped
Seanad Éireann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


http://www.politics.ie/forum/seanad-abolition-referendum-2012/179935-poll-should-seanad-abolished.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/political-reform/211490-enda-kenny-replace-seanad-his-own-boys.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/seanad-abolition-referendum-2012/191104-government-loses-vote-seanad-about-seanad.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/seanad-abolition-referendum-2012/193215-campaign-gathering-pace-save-seanad.html

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Wonder if Vinnie will want it replaced with a pile of Labourite snouters, quangoites and assorted Lefty detritus? :) Might be worth watching tonight just to see Vinnie try to reach a conclusion on this.
 

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At last, the Government has published the 32nd Amendment to the Constitution - which is to be put to Referendum this autumn. If ratified, the Seanad ceases to exist from midnight on the day before the Dáil first meets after the next General Election.
. . . which could be as late as May 2016.

So if the people make a decision to abolish the Senate in the Autumn of 2013 NO ACTION will be taken for virtually three years.

That's one long last slurp on the gravy train.

What a disgrace.
 

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. . . which could be as late as May 2016.

So if the people make a decision to abolish the Senate in the Autumn of 2013 NO ACTION will be taken for virtually three years.

That's one long last slurp on the gravy train.

What a disgrace.
How many of those in the Seanad are teachers? :)
 

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Non permanent teachers who lose their jobs are definitely NOT given nearly three years notice.
Guess it might be time to engineer the fall of a government right after the Irish people vote for the removal of this particular gravy train?
 

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Guess it might be time to engineer the fall of a government right after the Irish people vote for the removal of this particular gravy train?
This could end up being one of those rare referendums whereby if the people vote YES (to abolition) the government will come back looking for a NO during the intervening 3 years.
 

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They should abolish the Dail while they're at it.

A shower of fecking eejits.
 

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I wonder what will happen when the people vote not to abolish the Seanad? petunia
 

jmcc

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I wonder what will happen when the people vote not to abolish the Seanad? petunia
Hopefully the people will find those who rigged the vote and deal with them democratically. There's a hatred of snouters about that almost guarantees the elimination of the Seanad.
 

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Nothing. The people will have spoken :)
The people will have rejected yet another Government proposal. And like the last time, it'll be because the people don't trust this Government as far as the can throw them.

For Government to plod along as if nothing happened, having no political implications, would be unlikely. But it is Enda ....
 

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If we vote to abolish the senate does that mean that we get rid of Ronan Mullin, David Norris etc and the crowd that tour Ireland licking the bottoms of county councilors in order to gut a cushy number? Well this is a real no brainer.

PS Why are all the pol cors and the commentariat against its abolition?

PPS Vincent would have made a great Senator. He would love it - talking and drinking cheap porter late into the night. You couldn't beat it with a stick!

I think it is time to sort out the sock drawer!
 

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The people will have got an opportunity to speak. They will be heard :)

We could keep re-running the vote !!!!
 
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