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Violent criminals should be kept in jail until re-offending chance is low


cyberianpan

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A simple proposition

If a person is convicted of a second serious violent offence, they should be jailed indefinitely until a parole board agrees that the chance of their re-offending is low.

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A simple proposition

If a person is convicted of a serious violent offence, they should be jailed indefinitely until a parole board agrees that the chance of their re-offending is low.

cYp
What about the Clockwork Orange option? Surely a reasonable person like yourself has considered this...
 
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A simple proposition

If a person is convicted of a serious violent offence, they should be jailed indefinitely until a parole board agrees that the chance of their re-offending is low.

cYp
The most appropriate sentence must be determined by a judge in the light of all the facts presented at the trial - this proposal would effectively transfer the determination of the sentence to the parole board.
 

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are you just talking about physical violence? what about emotional violence, mental violence, which lasts longer and has greater effects on the phisiology of the human. How many people have died because they could not get treatment due to lists in the H.S.E. and the abuse of public hospitals by the consultants? What about the emotional violence of the homelessness due to lack of housing? what about the mental and emotional violence due to a lack of social workers for children in abusive home and institutions? there are many kinds of violence, and the biggest one is coming down the road and it will last for years. Abuse of the citizens of this country re the bank bailouts1
 

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A simple proposition

If a person is convicted of a serious violent offence, they should be jailed indefinitely until a parole board agrees that the chance of their re-offending is low.

cYp
Ah yes keep them indefinetly locked up in overcrowded victorian intitutions that'll teach them the skill necessary for bing an upstanding citizen.

Have you been having a glass or two cyp?
 

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Ah yes keep them indefinetly locked up in overcrowded victorian intitutions that'll teach them the skill necessary for bing an upstanding citizen.
Rehabilitation is a separate issue - my point here is that is someone is proven seriously violent - for society's sake they should not be released until there is low risk of re-offending


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Rehabilitation is a separate issue - my point here is that is someone is proven seriously violent - for society's sake they should not be released until there is low risk of re-offending


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Right, so basically a three strikes system and then what?

What happens if they re-offend throw away the key?
 

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I would argue that violent offenders should have to serve their entire sentence with no remission or parole and with time added on for bad behaviour rather than for taken off for good behaviour. Rehabilitation programs should be put in place and failure to participate should constitute bad behaviour.
 

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are you just talking about physical violence? what about emotional violence, mental violence, which lasts longer and has greater effects on the phisiology of the human. How many people have died because they could not get treatment due to lists in the H.S.E. and the abuse of public hospitals by the consultants? What about the emotional violence of the homelessness due to lack of housing? what about the mental and emotional violence due to a lack of social workers for children in abusive home and institutions? there are many kinds of violence, and the biggest one is coming down the road and it will last for years. Abuse of the citizens of this country re the bank bailouts1
Well said,but you do know what?This is Ireland and those utter failures get golden handshakes,massive pensions etc.. etc.. etc..
It never ends in this insult to a Banana republic!!!
 

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Right, so basically a three strikes system and then what?

What happens if they re-offend throw away the key?
Some very serious aversion therapy, lobotomy or drug intervention? What do you think CyP?
 

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Right, so basically a three strikes system and then what?

What happens if they re-offend throw away the key?
Most serial violent offenders tend to be young males... interestingly once they pass about 40, they start calming down. It is possible that more rehabilitation might fix them, and the State faced with say a 20 year old- might well be spurred into making s significant investment in his rehabilitation - as else they'd be facing a 20 year prison bill.

cYp
 

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OP, are you also in favour of raising taxes in order to pay for bigger prisons?

And what exactly would we be paying for? Would it lead to a reduced crime rate?
If so, what evidence do you base this belief on?
 

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Indefinite preventative detention of habitual criminals was introduced by Weimar politicians.
Alanis Morisette would call what happened to them later ironic.
 

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Indefinite preventative detention of habitual criminals was introduced by Weimar politicians.
Alanis Morisette would call what happened to them later ironic.
Do you have any evidence that she understands that word? Her song would indicate a certain ignorance in that regard...
 

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how about lobotisming our politicans? ooops sorry, someone allready been there, done that! otherwise how to explain their actions? sorry, GREED is their malaise!
 

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Most serial violent offenders tend to be young males... interestingly once they pass about 40, they start calming down. It is possible that more rehabilitation might fix them, and the State faced with say a 20 year old- might well be spurred into making s significant investment in his rehabilitation - as else they'd be facing a 20 year prison bill.

cYp

I have never seen any evidence that violent criminals can be rehabilitated. I am aware that proponents of rehabilitation say this because we have never gone about it the right anywhere in the world.

This argument reminds me of those who say the reason why Socialism
has never worked is because it was never done properly.

Rehabilitation, like Socialism, is an article of faith for some people. They believe it, not because there is any evidence for it, but because they want to believe it.

I too would love to believe it is possible to rehabilitate criminals, but I am not stupid enough to fool myself.

Let us face facts, no matter how unpalatable they are.
 

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Most serial violent offenders tend to be young males... interestingly once they pass about 40, they start calming down. It is possible that more rehabilitation might fix them, and the State faced with say a 20 year old- might well be spurred into making s significant investment in his rehabilitation - as else they'd be facing a 20 year prison bill.

cYp
The over 40 factor is interesting, maybe due to declining testosterone levels?. But then women can be equally violent.. Either way violent criminals certainly need to be kept out of circulation until the risk of re-offence is minimal.
 
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The over 40 factor is interesting, maybe due to declining testosterone levels?. But then women can be equally violent.. Either way violent criminals certainly need to be kept out of circulation until the risk of re-offence is minimal.
And so could cats and dogs and lions and tigers, but the FACTS ARE that the male of our species is the more violent.

I've got to the age now where I am going to quote me mammy. "what we need is a good war".

Seriously, though, it would seem that society has never really learned to control its men during long periods of peace. But that's men for you. Always looking for a fight. I don't know what the answer is to violence but locking up men together for long periods in hot house atmospheres has always seemed to me to be ridiculous. It only makes them more violent. Men need the calming influence of the female. Maybe more female prison officers, there we are. That's it. Jobs for the girls.
 
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