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Vladimir Putin's Russia: Soviet Union lite?


Telstar 62

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Putin's braggadocio about his super-duper zig zag missiles
( which broke the aforementioned treaty ) seems to have rebounded on him.... :laugh:
 

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The decision by the people of Crimea to reunify with Russia was incalculably more legitimate than Nato's peaceful carpet bombing of Serb civilians.
Boo Hoo!

Essentially, the same presentation of Russia as eternally pure, or as a raped virgin. Always the victim.

Putin chose to violate an international treaty about European borders, as well as tearing up agreements with Ukraine. He did to build up a distraction from his failing economic policies.
 

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US pulls out of nuclear treaty with Russia that's been a centerpiece of arms control since Cold War

The US withdraws from yet another treaty on flimsy grounds, I wonder how the MSM will spin it so that Putin is the one acting in bad faith and that Trump is still somehow his creature????
You put it very well.

As Russia is in violation of the Treaty (any argument?), again, the accepted way forward would be for the US and its allies to impose even more restrictive sanctions on Russia, and force it into compliance.

As Russia's economy is in bad shape, giving it an excuse to withdraw from the Treaty is actually the softer option. But it is also in keeping with neo-conservative John Bolton's (Trump's NS adviser) belief that the USA should not be bound by Treaties, and should be allowed kick countries around as it sees fit.

So this fits nicely into the world view of both Trump and his henchman.
 

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The end of the INF treaty will scare the crap out of the Germans.
 

owedtojoy

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The end of the INF treaty will scare the crap out of the Germans.
Not just the Germans.

It means the two major military powers on the planet are conspiring to overthrow the international system established at the end of WWII. The ending of the Cold War peacefully and the smooth integration of Communist China into the world order are two of its triumphs. Not that it was perfect, but it was adequate to keep a measure of world peace.

Now those are being thrown overboard, at the time when the US Foreign Policy is under the control of an incompetent President, Russia under the control of an expansionist autocrat, and a China with its own expansionist agenda. Alarms bells are going off, not just in Berlin, but in Washington too.

Trump's foreign policy faces growing dissent in Congress
 
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Boo Hoo!

Essentially, the same presentation of Russia as eternally pure, or as a raped virgin. Always the victim.

Putin chose to violate an international treaty about European borders, as well as tearing up agreements with Ukraine. He did to build up a distraction from his failing economic policies.
Guess he took his lessons from Nato.
 
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You put it very well.

As Russia is in violation of the Treaty (any argument?), again, the accepted way forward would be for the US and its allies to impose even more restrictive sanctions on Russia, and force it into compliance.

As Russia's economy is in bad shape, giving it an excuse to withdraw from the Treaty is actually the softer option. But it is also in keeping with neo-conservative John Bolton's (Trump's NS adviser) belief that the USA should not be bound by Treaties, and should be allowed kick countries around as it sees fit.

So this fits nicely into the world view of both Trump and his henchman.
You have zero clue.

Russian economy in bad shape with a $200 billion trade surplus where as US is great shape with a $600 billion deficit.

Russia GDP to Debt is 13.5%, US is 105% and these are the Dec 2017 GDP figures.

Russia now produces more wheat than the US and exports it.

Now that Russia / China / India and others are trading with each other in National currencies and not US$ it means a lot less greenbacks around to buy US Treasuries.

http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt

US didn't pull out of treaty because of Russia, it did it because of China because China is not a signatory and US couldn't develop anything.
 

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The Duma has just voted in favour of a law that will cut the Russian internet off from the international internet. Officially the intention is to "test defences". But a more likely motive is to test if Russia can wall off Russian internet China-style. A Cyber Iron Curtain as it were. Euronews just reported on this.
 

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The Duma has just voted in favour of a law that will cut the Russian internet off from the international internet. Officially the intention is to "test defences". But a more likely motive is to test if Russia can wall off Russian internet China-style. A Cyber Iron Curtain as it were. Euronews just reported on this.
Seriously?
Actually this law was about investments to infrastructure in case if USA will decide to cut internet from Russia
In comparison with censorship from Google/Facebook Russia still looks like last outpost of speech freedom
 

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Seriously?
Actually this law was about investments to infrastructure in case if USA will decide to cut internet from Russia
In comparison with censorship from Google/Facebook Russia still looks like last outpost of speech freedom
Of course it is. :roflmao:
 

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Russia Continues Fall in Internet Freedom Ranking — Freedom House

The annual survey ranks 65 countries on a 100-point scale — with higher scores corresponding to a greater degree of internet censorship. Countries are classified as “free,” “not free” or “partially free” based on criteria such as rights violations and countrywide internet access.

Russia now ranks 53rd in the report with 65 points, behind Thailand and Gambia, and is classified as “not free.”
Russia Continues Fall in Internet Freedom Ranking — Freedom House
 

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Watch what you post...today’s Russian papers discuss the controversial draft law that would impose big fines, even jail time, for information posted online that is “obviously disrespectful” to society and the state. #ReadingRussia
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A new book on Russia's Crime of the Century (so far), the assassination of dissident Boris Nemtsov. The evidence for Putin's complicity is laid out in the book. Putin had good reason to have an international figure like Nemtsov murdered, revenge being one of them.

[2011] Nemtsov began producing meticulously documented reports on Kremlin corruption and traveled to Washington to urge the US Congress to pass the Magnitsky Act, which sanctioned Russian officials responsible for the 2009 prison death of the Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky.

Later, after the 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea, Nemtsov lobbied hard to convince Western governments to impose sanctions on members of the Russian government. At the time of his murder, Nemtsov was about to publish a scathing indictment of Russia’s military involvement in Ukraine, “Putin and the War,” and was organizing an antiwar protest, scheduled for March 1, 2015.
The Crime of the Century

Two documentary films on Nemtsov's life and death have also been released.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/February-Assassination-Nemtsov-Alleged-Killers/dp/383821188X/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=The+February+2015+Assassination+of+Boris+Nemtsov+and+the+Flawed+Trial+of+His+Alleged+Killers:+An+Exploration+of+Russia’s+“Crime+of+the+21st+Century”&qid=1552561727&s=books&sr=1-1-fkmr0
 

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Turns out the whole Russia collusion thing was exactly what Trump said it was - a witch-hunt by Democrats and their media cronies who were apoplectic at having failed to get Hillary elected.17193
 

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Crimea's 2014 reunification with Russia wasn't 100% kosher in every respect; but it was no less so than Germany's 1990 reunification IMHO.
Out by a few years. Let's rephrase..."Crimea's 2014 reunification with Russia wasn't 100% kosher in every respect; but it was no less so than Germany's 1038 Anschluss with Austria"

The decision by the people of Crimea to reunify with Russia was incalculably more legitimate than Nato's peaceful carpet bombing of Serb civilians.
In my experience nobody that uses the term "carpet bombing" has the slightest bit of knowledge as to it's meaning.
 
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The decision by the people of Crimea to reunify with Russia was incalculably more legitimate than Nato's peaceful carpet bombing of Serb civilians.
What 'carpet bombing' was this then?
 
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