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Voting opens on Diversity of School Patronage in Arklow, Castlebar, Trim, Tramore, & Whitehall/Beaumont!


potholedogger

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Voting opens on Bishops' School Patronage in Arklow, Castlebar, Trim, Tramore, & Whitehall/Beaumont!

Minister Quinn has started a new process to look at the possible transfer of some schools run by the Catholic Church to other school patron bodies in 44 areas around the country. This process will be undertaken initially on a pilot basis in the following areas: Arklow, Castlebar, Whitehall (including Kilmore West and Beaumont), Trim and Tramore.

The first five communities will be surveyed to determine the preference of parents for Patronage of National Schools. It is not yet known what percentage of demand for divested patronage will trigger patronage being divested.

For example if the threshold trigger was set at 25% and 23% sought patronage to be divested this would leave 100% of Catholic parents accommodated and 100% of others with a different prederence not accommodated.


School Boards of Catholic Schools are writing to Parents to urge all those who are happy with the status quo to make their views known in the survey. "We urge you to participate in the Survey, as often those who are happy with the status quo remain silent."

The Survey invites parents of Children attending primary as well as parents of preschool Children to express their views on their preferred patron in order of preference.

Surveys - Department of Education and Skills

Catholic Schools Partnership | Catholic Schools Partnership Website
 
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If the detail in this return cannot be validated then the preferences may not be counted in our analysis.
Already the results are in doubt.
 

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Already the results are in doubt.
No member of the public knows exactly where the goal posts are in this survey / election. Is the process driven by ideology or by a desire to provide genuine choice. Few parents would remove children from a school where their children are getting a good education to move to a school under new management.
 

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Parents are also being surveyed on their preferred language medium for their schools.

It will be interesting to determine the demand for Gael Scoileanna!
 

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Parents are also being surveyed on their preferred language medium for their schools.

It will be interesting to determine the demand for Gael Scoileanna!
It even accepts Muslim school with preferred language Irish, Run by Educate Together........gonna be lots of schools Ruairi!
 

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The minister has shown himself to be fair minded thus far in this process.

I see no reason to anticipate unfairness and an agenda driven process.
 

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Already the results are in doubt.
There are no results yet, but Ruairi will summarise them for us, he will no doubt also explain how the survey is only open to online people but not all online people...only those willing to confer rights to access some unexplained personal pps verification process. Do not expect a representative turnout. Results will be biased towards those who feel sufficiently motivated to overcome these access and privacy obstacles. Overall a very amateurish survey imho! How it got past the data protection guy is odd......a survey asking for Fathers and Mothers PPS....so that they can be verified to be in the area!
 
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The minister has shown himself to be fair minded thus far in this process.

I see no reason to anticipate unfairness and an agenda driven process.
Although it is far to say that his party leader at least, has declared an antipathy towards religious influence in how the State serves it's people.

One can hardly be forgiven for wondering about a commensurate culture within his party on that basis.
 

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Is conducting a survey on this not an example of "tyranny of the majority"?

Surely just letting religious orders run RE outside of school hours, or during the school day would be the way to deal with this? So you have 3 or 4 RE sessions going one afternoon or morning in one school. parents say what they need to attend?

It is not core education, it is a past-time, life choice.
 

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It even accepts Muslim school with preferred language Irish, Run by Educate Together........gonna be lots of schools Ruairi!
I believe this is a good initiative but yes the results could be problematic if 25% want Catholic, 25% want none, 25% want Irish and 25% want Educate Together.
 

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I believe this is a good initiative but yes the results could be problematic if 25% want Catholic, 25% want none, 25% want Irish and 25% want Educate Together.
The parent has the ability to suggest other denominations, so the results more likely to be 40-50 different options with small percentages for each, but majority of people not voting because of online and pps requirement for father and mother.
 

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What they mean is clearly that only parents are invited to participate. That is perfectly reasonable.
Half Nelson was quoting from the survey website which says that if you cannot be validated your vote may not be counted
 

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The parent has the ability to suggest other denominations, so the results more likely to be 40-50 different options with small percentages for each, but majority of people not voting because of online and pps requirement for father and mother.
I can't see why online is such a big deal, we're talking about parents of primary school children here.
You also need some way of checking who is voting otherwise you'll get outside pressure groups trying to influence the outcome. Again the vast majority of law abiding citizens would have no problem with that.
 

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I believe this is a good initiative but yes the results could be problematic if 25% want Catholic, 25% want none, 25% want Irish and 25% want Educate Together.


I thought Educate Together had no particular Religious Ethos?
I would expect many parents with a preference for the Irish language medium of education would express a preference for a Catholic Patron too.
 

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