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Voting strategy for #GE19?


Disillusioned democrat

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It's become clear that the parties are shaping up for a late 2019 GE.

Few on this forum seem to want FG to return as the senior party in government, but the most common retort is "who else" would you vote for.

To be honest this has me genuinely stressed - I've sadly come to the conclusion that FG are worse for the country than FF were...it's hugely disheartening to realise that the only thing that kept FF on life-support was how dreadful FG were in government in their 1st term and this seems to have gone into over-drive during the reign of Prince Leo V, surrounded by his useless millennials Murphy and Harris.

So the question has to be...who do you vote for to get FG out of office without exposing the country to the worst excesses of a resurgent FF?

Does anyone have any clue how to vote strategically in GE19 to either break FFG or at the very least to limit the damage they can do?
 


brughahaha

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I despise FG , its why i hope (and expect) they'll win a 3rd term .3rd Terms are usually terminal for political parties , and as I expect a recession , and a pretty big one at that, in the next 3-4 years , i'd love to see FG "own" whats coming.

My own plan of action , is to ignore all elections and not bother voting - for the first time in my life ....I'd like a party that is euro critical but not euro sceptic (its a good economic idea but the political integration is going too far) and one that will bring some level of accountability to our public bodies , some level of competence to our public services and some level of reality to senior public pay and pensions.

A party that encourages and assists small indigenous business rather than despising rather than fawning to multinationals and tax swindles would also be welcome

There is no party offering any of the above ...so I'll wait until someone does appear who will "drain the swamp"
 

Disillusioned democrat

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I despise FG , its why i hope (and expect) they'll win a 3rd term .3rd Terms are usually terminal for political parties , and as I expect a recession , and a pretty big one at that, in the next 3-4 years , i'd love to see FG "own" whats coming.

My own plan of action , is to ignore all elections and not bother voting - for the first time in my life ....I'd like a party that is euro critical but not euro sceptic (its a good economic idea but the political integration is going too far) and one that will bring some level of accountability to our public bodies , some level of competence to our public services and some level of reality to senior public pay and pensions.

A party that encourages and assists small indigenous business rather than despising rather than fawning to multinationals and tax swindles would also be welcome

There is no party offering any of the above ...so I'll wait until someone does appear who will "drain the swamp"
It seems like such an easy void to fill - someone, anyone with an ounce of integrity and a bit of a vision for the country - but all we seem to get is the same old crap.

SF under Mary Lou McDonald have been a massive disappointment - just virtue signaling bandwagon jumping with no solutions just (valid) criticism. Labour are a joke - Howlin putting is ego before the good of the party and clinging on to the leadership like a drowing man taking his potential rescuer with him.

Of course anyone who does enter the field and offers anything like an alternative gets savaged by the MSM who obviously have a symbiotic relationship with the established parties and don't need anyone rocking the boat.

Not voting isn't an option, though.
 

wombat

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Of course anyone who does enter the field and offers anything like an alternative gets savaged by the MSM who obviously have a symbiotic relationship with the established parties and don't need anyone rocking the boat.

Not voting isn't an option, though.
I agree that not voting is a cop out. Currently, the choice is between FG & FF as to who leads the govt. The real problem is that the other parties don't want to be in govt. SF remind me of the anti coalition Labour members who thought that if they stayed pure, FF & FG would have to join together and the people would turn to Labour, the socialists are nearly all past 70.
 

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I despise FG , its why i hope (and expect) they'll win a 3rd term .3rd Terms are usually terminal for political parties , and as I expect a recession , and a pretty big one at that, in the next 3-4 years , i'd love to see FG "own" whats coming.

My own plan of action , is to ignore all elections and not bother voting - for the first time in my life ....I'd like a party that is euro critical but not euro sceptic (its a good economic idea but the political integration is going too far) and one that will bring some level of accountability to our public bodies , some level of competence to our public services and some level of reality to senior public pay and pensions.

A party that encourages and assists small indigenous business rather than despising rather than fawning to multinationals and tax swindles would also be welcome

There is no party offering any of the above ...so I'll wait until someone does appear who will "drain the swamp"
Aontu? They're saying all those things atm.
 

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I'll take the op as genuine. , .

We regard FG as right wing, and certainly they are the most right wing of a bunch of centrist parties. I don't know how much of our electorate could be regarded as right of centre, but for them there is only FG or FF as an option for gov. I suppose as the two largest parties they converge on many fundamental points which obviously reflect the views of over 50% of voters based on polls etc.
I suppose if you were voting strategically its about who you want to lead the next gov - more of the same, role reversal, or FG/FF supported by SF , indos or smaller parties.
Based on polls FG support is at best 30%, FF is capable of going past that, and any gains for FF over the 27/28% will come at FG expense.
Thus, a vote for FF is more likely to remove FG from office than a vote for any other party.
 

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My personal strategy will be FG 1,2,3 FF 1,2,3
Absolutely no vote for independents, socialists of Sinn Fein.

If every FF and FG supporter did this in order of our preference we could stop half the wingnuts getting elected and we could have stable government.
 

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The real measure of FG was what they did in government from 2011 to 2016 when they had, in effect, an absolute majority and the mandate to reform this country forever....basically they took their turn raping the citizens of this country - NAMA, Siteserv, Irish Water, REITs, tax free Vulture funds - while basically turning a blind eye to those who caused the destruction in the first place, typified perfectly by the kack handed way they pretended to prosecute Sean Fitzpatrick. A FG majority is something this country can't afford ever again.

The best possible outcome may be a situation where FF HAVE to coalesce with FG so can no longer hide behind their fake "opposition" cape of the "Confidence and Supply" farce.
 

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The real measure of FG was what they did in government from 2011 to 2016 when they had, in effect, an absolute majority and the mandate to reform this country forever....basically they took their turn raping the citizens of this country - NAMA, Siteserv, Irish Water, REITs, tax free Vulture funds - while basically turning a blind eye to those who caused the destruction in the first place, typified perfectly by the kack handed way they pretended to prosecute Sean Fitzpatrick. A FG majority is something this country can't afford ever again.

The best possible outcome may be a situation where FF HAVE to coalesce with FG so can no longer hide behind their fake "opposition" cape of the "Confidence and Supply" farce.
The real measure of the 2011 -2016 gov was what they did when in power, and did they leave the place in a better place than they found it. if u think Ireland OF 2016 was in a worse state than Ireland of 2011 then your forgetting the state of the place in 2011 - our economy was in tatters and we were stuck in a bailout with 10 year bonds at 14%, with employment collapsing and unemployment and emigration ravaging the country with debt to gdp at 120% and running a budget deficit of 32% of GDP in 2010.
 

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The real measure of the 2011 -2016 gov was what they did when in power, and did they leave the place in a better place than they found it. if u think Ireland OF 2016 was in a worse state than Ireland of 2011 then your forgetting the state of the place in 2011 - our economy was in tatters and we were stuck in a bailout with 10 year bonds at 14%, with employment collapsing and unemployment and emigration ravaging the country with debt to gdp at 120% and running a budget deficit of 32% of GDP in 2010.
How does any of that justify the massive rip off FG pulled on the citizens...how does it justify SiteServ, Irish Water, tax free vulture funds, REITs?
 

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Fact: we live in an open free market economy.

All this claptrap about REITs, NAMA, Dennis O Brien etc etc is all bull crap.
Bet you don’t complain when you fly out to Santa Ponsa for a hundred quid.

Picking and choosing what parts of globalization you are outraged about.

I don’t know of any country in the world that shovels so much cash out to welfare recipients.

Never work a day in your life, demand a free house, ‘world class’ health service, first world standard of living!!!

We do a damn fine job in this country. What do you want??? Expand the welfare state further??
 

jmcc

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Fact: we live in an open free market economy.
Only 418 posts since 2007? Are you another one of FG's O'Duffy Social Media brigade pushing FG propaganda for the upcoming elections?
 

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Only FF are running enough candidates to challenge FG.
 

noodles

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Only 418 posts since 2007? Are you another one of FG's O'Duffy Social Media brigade pushing FG propaganda for the upcoming elections?
As opposed to having my own opinion??

Are we to detach ourselves from the world economy??

Ye can talk all the claptrap ye want. The money in your pocket, the value of your property.

All directly linked to Ireland being fully integrated in the world economy. You can pick and choose slightly different policies here and there.

By and large the Irish citizen is on the same level as the US citizen, the UK citizen, French, German etc etc.

Irish citizens are far ahead of Russians, North Koreans, Africans etc etc.

This is because we are plugged in full participants in the global capitalist system. We are winners in this system.

You want to limit the movement of capital, the investment that comes to this country??
 

jmcc

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As opposed to having my own opinion??
So what's the weather like in beautiful down-town New Dehli today? Liked any FG policy announcements yet? :) Party followers like yourself aren't really noted for having their own opinions and there has been an uptick in old accounts with low numbers of posts being reactivated. Does this mean that there's a General Election on the way?
 

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So what's the weather like in beautiful down-town New Dehli today? Liked any FG policy announcements yet? :) Party followers like yourself aren't really noted for having their own opinions and there has been an uptick in old accounts with low numbers of posts being reactivated. Does this mean that there's a General Election on the way?
you tell me 😂😂
 

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